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    Quote Originally Posted by cliveh View Post
    Because they are no better than simple cameras produced in the late 50s and 60s. It's not new, just old simple imagery. Buy a Brownie 127, which will probably give you a slightly better quality.
    Actually, they're probably worse, which is what makes them so good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cliveh View Post
    Because they are no better than simple cameras produced in the late 50s and 60s. It's not new, just old simple imagery. Buy a Brownie 127, which will probably give you a slightly better quality.
    LOL! Got one of THOSE too!
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    Quote Originally Posted by eddie View Post
    Actually, they're probably worse, which is what makes them so good.
    Especially if you reverse the elements!

    Randy Smith is doing some cool restoration and pimping of the Brownie Hawkeyes here:

    http://www.holgamods.com/hawkeye/Haw...ras_Built.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by rich815 View Post
    I hear you Clive. Somewhere in the archives of here, RFF or photo.net there's a reply from me from about 5-6 years ago on a similar thread saying almost exactly what you said here. And with a similar attitude. Then I got a hold of one and used it. When I throw my M2 or MP into my bag with my 50/2 Summicron DR attached I'm going out to shoot knowing what I've got and using that tool to get what it's best for. Otherwise I'd take one of my many other cameras. If I take out the Holga, and only the Holga, my mentality is different, my goals are different. It's almost like another media, or at least using a VERY different brush, and the results are different (not always better, but sometimes ) because of it. Changing negs in photoshop that I shot with my Leicas is making Leica to resemble Holga-like images. Going out with just a Holga and out to shoot "native" Holga images gets me very different results and is a change or a diversity in my photographic goals and mentality I enjoy very much.
    And I hear you, but beg to differ. I will stick to my M2 and you may stick to your Holga. No way will you ever change my mind, as my M2 is part of me. End of conversation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cliveh View Post
    And I hear you, but beg to differ. I will stick to my M2 and you may stick to your Holga. No way will you ever change my mind, as my M2 is part of me. End of conversation.
    No, it's not. You made a mistake. I wasn't try to convince you of anything. Nor do I care to.
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    Holga designer on the future of Holga

    Holgas are fun for what they are, just plain simple and akin to single use cameras you may have used as a kid. Not really worrying about settings as you cant do much about them. I've played with a few of them as well, but never wanted to have one myself. Now i would want the lomo lca though, which is an awesome toy camera I enjoyed, but then again these prices the last few years are just ridiculous for what they are. I'd rather invest that money into better lenses.

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    Count me in with the Holga fans!

    I got into a rut with my usual 6x7 and 6x17 b+w transparencies, and the pursuit of a certain type of technical excellence.

    So I junked my rule book, picked up a couple of Holgas and and a Brownie Hawkeye, reversed the lens and had great fun with all 3. Helped free me from my self-imposed visual shackles, taught me a lot about how creativity works and can be challenged, and made me look at the world with different eyes.

    Have printed some of the resulting pictures as polymer photogravures...

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    When it comes to making worthwhile photographs, there's no difference between a Holga, a Leica, a pinhole, a Sinar, a Deardorff, a Rolleiflex, etc.
    In the right hands, they're all capable of producing images that sing.

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    How does one make a living being a "Holga Designer"?

    I think the design is the same as it has ever been. Not much work for the designer to do. Just lay about and get paid, I imagine.

    Nice work if you can get it.
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    Sorry Bill, but I don't get your point.

    That guy designed the original Holga as well as different cameras and accessories of the same name. I did not imply that it was important construction/design work.
    And seemingly he does not take himself that seriously.

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