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    Question about shots taken using instant film; Are they art?

    When I say instant film, I mean films like TIP, Fujifilm instax series. I have been pondering this question for a while, can instant film shots be considered one (albeit one of a kind art)?

    I mean I have seen helmut and even Daido's work that consist of instant film only. Which got me thinking since I primarily use instant film to either do a test shot or just to take a shot to keep in either my diary or travel journey. Although I also sometime use it at model photography session to show the model what the shot should look like after develop or at least as a gift (aside from the model fees I pay) of the event. So in short, I use it mainly for

    1. Scrap booking.
    2. Test shots
    3. Ice breaker.


    But can it be used in the same league as regular photographer and produce works of art? Most of the time I see books about polaroid being used to take test shots and the book uses these photos to talk about the background of those masterworks.

    I hope I am making sense here but it's just odd for me to see instant work being elevated to Art level. I'm not dissing the medium as I shoot instax mini and instax wide so i really do love the format.

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    True, the definition of art is subjective and I guess I should have asked it in this way, "can ever the work produced using instant film be elevated to FINE art?" Because while I see books of instant film work but I have yet to see an exhibition about instant film masterpieces.

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    Have you seen David Hockney's Polaroid collages?

    http://www.hockneypictures.com/photo..._polaroids.php


    What about Mary Ellen Mark's 20x24 Polaroids?

    http://www.maryellenmark.com/gallery..._featured.html


    Or Joachim Knill's 20x30 Polaroids?

    http://www.joachimknill.com/photography.html


    Have a look and judge for yourself.

    Jonathan

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    Also look at Walker Evans' polaroids.

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    I am very interested in this discussion.

    Can a guy with a 3D Printer make fine art sculptures?

    It would be helpful, to me at least, to define the terms, or to at least distinguish fine art from good art, what we mean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by horacekenneth View Post
    I am very interested in this discussion.

    Can a guy with a 3D Printer make fine art sculptures?

    It would be helpful, to me at least, to define the terms, or to at least distinguish fine art from good art, what we mean.
    Holy moly! I had thought of the same thing! But then it begs the question, does a figure produced using 3d printer as good as one produced by hand if we don't consider the design but rather the material base on the figure which what my main question is about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcoldslabs View Post
    Have you seen David Hockney's Polaroid collages?

    http://www.hockneypictures.com/photo..._polaroids.php


    What about Mary Ellen Mark's 20x24 Polaroids?

    http://www.maryellenmark.com/gallery..._featured.html


    Or Joachim Knill's 20x30 Polaroids?

    http://www.joachimknill.com/photography.html


    Have a look and judge for yourself.

    Jonathan
    Now this is what I was looking for! That people in this time and age are still shooting instant film and making great artwork with them

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    Question about shots taken using instant film; Are they art?

    If anyone says its art, then it's art. It might not be good art but it art hahaha it is what you make of it.


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    I see a two-pronged answer.
    1) What is the photographer/creator's intent?
    2) What is the viewer/public's perception?

    A photograph of a factory on fire would be considered journalism if the photographer's intent was to document the incident but if he made the photo with a different mindset, the very same photo would be considered art. On the other hand, if the photo was printed beneath a headline in a newspaper, Acme corporation on fire!" the public would perceive it differently than if it was framed and hung in a gallery.

    Does the medium in which the photo is presented affect how viewers perceive it?
    To a degree, I think it does but I think the medium is only the intermediary which conveys intent.

    On the other hand, the very same Polaroid or Instax photograph would be perceived as having a different intent depending on whether it was presented in a pile on a coffee table, whether it was mounted in a scrapbook or whether it was framed and hung on the wall.

    So, yes, I think a Polaroid CAN BE considered art if the photographer presents it in a way that conveys artistic intent to the viewer.
    Randy S.

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    There was discussion recently in another thread (http://www.apug.org/forums/forum238/...lur-grain.html) where I think the conclusion (or one of the conclusions) was that good art is art that communicates the artist's message well. Good art doesn't need a particular medium or a particular set of rules, it just needs a good artist working skillfully in a medium.

    That's a different conversation than what is fine art, which is I think what this thread is really about. A really good work on a Polaroid and a big masterly piece of oil painting - they are both art, and they are both done well and skillfully, but how do we get any further?

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