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    A toy camera is one that costs less than the roll of film with which it is loaded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HMFriedman View Post
    A toy camera is one that costs less than the roll of film with which it is loaded.
    in this case there would be very few. a toy camera as I understand it, is a camera with which I want to play around and not do serious work. although the result might be fantastic and quite be commercially exploitable.

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    Plastic body and lens, no settable focus, aperture, shutter or film speed, just shutter release and film advance. Pure and simple.
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    By that definition, the Holga is not a toy camera.

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    Yes, that's what I'm saying. Just my definition...

    Quote Originally Posted by bvy View Post
    By that definition, the Holga is not a toy camera.
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    Anything originally produced to sell at a very inexpensive price point. Intended for beginners, and uncomplicated ease of use. Something you can hand to a kid and not worry about and expect viewable images back. Designed for fun, and have looser tolerances in all aspects of use and build.

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    It is any camera you are using when you are not being paid!
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    Quote Originally Posted by HMFriedman View Post
    A toy camera is one that costs less than the roll of film with which it is loaded.
    Good! My toy camera, an original Diana, cost me 75 cents (marked down from $1 at the thrift store). Now if I can find 120 film as cheap as the camera!LOL!
    At least with LF landscape, a bad day of photography can still be a good day of exercise.

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    The creative part of a Krappy Kam is its Krappy Lens - invariably a plano-convex with the aperture mounted too close to the lens. The problem is the rest of the Kam is so unreliable, and usually the worse [better] the lens the more unreliable the shutter/winding mechanism/door latch/etc.. The Empire Baby is probably the worst/best example. It was also my first camera, purchased at the age of 7 for 2s/6d [make it 50 cents] at Woolworths. It cost a lot less than the film and processing that I had to wheedle out of parents and relatives.

    Reliable almost-a-toy cameras from Kodak, Herbert George ('Imperial'), Ansco and others had meniscus lenses and correctly placed apertures and produced results that were uninteresting.

    'Lens Baby' was supposed to be the answer - a crappy lens for your Nikanoltax - but the prices got out of hand and the lenses never had the right amount of optical charm. I have found a good lens is a Spiratone Portagon coupled to a 2x extender - without the extender there is too much peripheral blur.

    A Petzval portrait lens for 35mm would be intriguing.
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    A toy is something to play with. Leicas, Wistas, Speed Graphics are all things that can be played with. For collectors who do not use them, they are indeed nothing but toys.

    My BMW is a toy, and so is my very fast crotch rocket motorcycle. They are objects of play.

    They become tools when used. A plastic box with a hole, a Mickey Mouse camera to get an image onto film, a Holga used to expose film or grafted onto a digital camera, is a tool.

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