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    Photography is much like any craft. Just like writing, you need to know proper spelling and grammar. Once a writer has the basic down, he or she may break the rules and use bad grammar or misspellings intentionally. However, if a writer just has bad grammer and bad spelling, he's not serving the craft and it's just bad and ineffective writing. Why I'm trying to get at is the craft should serve the art. Blur and grain with photos should serve the art otherwise it's just bad technique that's is masturbatory and self-indulgent.
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    "maturbatory and self-indugent"... I'll have to use that term the next time I get into a conversation with my editor about optional commas!

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    I think self-indulgence and masturbation is grammatically redundant
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mainecoonmaniac View Post
    Just like writing, you need to know proper spelling and grammar. Once a writer has the basic down, he or she may break the rules and use bad grammar or misspellings intentionally...Blur and grain with photos should serve the art otherwise it's just bad technique
    Agreed. I think that answers this comment as well

    When did "bad" (as in not the best achievable result) become the new cool?

    If it is intentional and serves the art then it isn't bad technique. It's really really good technique.

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    For the record, I like the image of the truck...
    At least with LF landscape, a bad day of photography can still be a good day of exercise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by horacekenneth View Post
    If it is intentional and serves the art then it isn't bad technique. It's really really good technique.
    It sure can be, intentional is of course a deliberate conscious choice, though still this doesn't approach the question, why does "bad" get appreciation and wall space at galleries and review space in media etc. ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaughn View Post
    For the record, I like the image of the truck...
    Would you say the grain and the blur affected your opinion in a positive way, do you think a less "smashed" photograph would have affected your opinion negatively?
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    Blur and grain is vocabulary in the language of photography. It's useful in certain expressions. If you reject grain and blur automatically, it like rejecting particular words that offend you. Like some of Alice Walkers writings, it contains vulgar language but it doesn't offend me. I'm not saying grain or blur is vulgar btw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felinik View Post
    why does "bad" get appreciation and wall space at galleries and review space in media etc. ?
    For whatever reason, I would guess they think it is good. Galleries are probably more interested in emotionally grabbing pictures than (technically correct) "beautiful" pictures. I can tell you that I'd take that truck picture over a lot of the pictures I see other traditional photographers printing.

    What I learned in school was that artistic beauty is a combination of skill and background. In other words, to really appreciate whether or not a work was beautiful you couldn't merely look at it, to really appreciate it you needed to understand its intention, history, creator, etc. And this is what has been already said - what is technically "bad" can be good if it fits with the artist's intention - and how can we know the artist's intention without knowing a little bit more about the piece?

    My cop-out answer is that we are sick of technical pictures that can practically (I said practically) be taken with the click of a button on ever-improving digital cameras. We want pictures that break the rules and so when we find a cool picture that breaks the rules we want to believe it is intentional because we want it to be better. Which might be why I think the truck picture was taken by a photographer who knew his trade and not by a five-year old.

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    Some of it I would attribute to a revival of Pictorialism. However, they seem to takin ghe "style" and photographing everything that way with a conceptual reason.
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