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    Quote Originally Posted by horacekenneth View Post
    You're very intent on whether they are innovating or not but I don't think innovation is what makes an artist an artist. Inventing HDR or Instagram doesn't make that person an artist, but if they do something really good with it, then they are an artist and an innovator.
    Few artists have the technical skills to develop a new technique by themselves. Van Gogh didn't come up with Chromium yellow, some unknown chemist did. Van Gogh also didn't invent still life paintings or sunflowers, but the way he presented sunflowers was certainly novel and intriguing. The term innovation goes far beyond technical advances. Expressing something new or in a new way with common means is also a form of innovation.

    The blurry truck image doesn't do any of that, and therefore IMHO it doesn't go beyond the "nice image!" level. And this is not an art collection.
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    Quote Originally Posted by horacekenneth View Post
    You're very intent on whether they are innovating or not but I don't think innovation is what makes an artist an artist. Inventing HDR or Instagram doesn't make that person an artist, but if they do something really good with it, then they are an artist and an innovator.
    This I completely agree with, if there's a certain level of innovation and creativity, blurry - grainy - underexposed - stained - whatnot, can definitely add something to an image, though then the threshold of originality need to really be noticeable!
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    Now I have a questions for all those that responded to this post. Is art always supposed to be well technically executed and pretty? Or is art supposed to be challenging also?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mainecoonmaniac View Post
    Now I have a questions for all those that responded to this post. Is art always supposed to be well technically executed and pretty? Or is art supposed to be challenging also?
    My reply to this is in my posting above yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mainecoonmaniac View Post
    Now I have a questions for all those that responded to this post. Is art always supposed to be well technically executed and pretty? Or is art supposed to be challenging also?
    I assume you mean challenging emotionally or philosophically. I think art can have a number of purposes. It doesn't need to be deep, but it can be and that can add. It can also be cheesy and distract from what would otherwise have been a nice photo. Does anybody know what Ansel Adam's purpose in his landscapes was? I imagine his art wasn't meant to be any more challenging than to show other people the world in a very technical fashion.

    My question is what does the medium do to your message? A hyper-realist painter, a pro large format photographer, and a guy with an 8x10 polaroid (loaded with something more accurate than IP film) all make a picture of the same landscape. How does the medium change the message? What if it was a portrait?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mainecoonmaniac View Post
    Now I have a questions for all those that responded to this post. Is art always supposed to be well technically executed and pretty? Or is art supposed to be challenging also?
    Art is supposed to 'say something' to the viewer. To me, the truck photo only says 'accidental exposure while the camera was hanging over my shoulder'; your milage may vary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prof_Pixel View Post
    As far as the 'famous' photographers go, it seems to me that such work is often treated like 'the emperors new clothes'.
    Of course, sometimes the Emperor's old clothes are worn out and shabby ... but perhaps many think they are still sparkling and fresh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prof_Pixel View Post
    Art is supposed to 'say something' to the viewer. To me, the truck photo only says 'accidental exposure while the camera was hanging over my shoulder'; your milage may vary.
    And as we grow older, our hearing just aint what it use to be...
    At least with LF landscape, a bad day of photography can still be a good day of exercise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prof_Pixel View Post
    Art is supposed to 'say something' to the viewer. To me, the truck photo only says 'accidental exposure while the camera was hanging over my shoulder'; your milage may vary.
    Maybe it was...

    What interests me is that in the end, and this is what triggered me to start this thread, is that the artist for some reason chose to keep it, and that the curator has chosen it to be included in the exhibition + book...

    Though I buy that "it's fashion", there's loads of ugly clothes on the street nowadays too...




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    How about these classic photos by Robert Capa?

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