Ian, you don't think there is extra contrast at midday? At least around here, noon light is typically very hard and direct, with little sideways scatter, so the shadows are very deep e.g. around trees or buildings. For pinhole I like the hard contrasty edges (and I am well aware that some do not like that). Having an extra stop or two of light is nice too, when the effective aperture is f/250 or so...
Anyway, what makes light interesting in general? It is up to the photographer to find the interest. We are supposed to see things that others do not, that's what makes us photographers. And I think I have found a fair bit of interest in hard, noon light. There is a lot of sunrise/sunset stuff out there; I think the O.P. is to be commended for seeking ways to work with light that many would reject outright, simply because they cannot think creatively or they want to take a 'pretty' photograph that everyone has seen before.
People simply have to try and see what works for them.
First - I use the same film mid-day, morning, evening, and night. It matters more how you use it than what you use.
During mid-day my negs turn out with too much contrast if I expose normally. So I overexpose the film, as in any high contrast situation, and use gentle agitation and shorter development times to get perfect negatives. If I don't do this I lose some shadow detail and end up having to compensate in printing by using softer filtration, something I don't like to do.
I am in Keith's camp - shooting pinhole mid-day works very well. I particularly like to point the camera directly into the sun.
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From recent experiences no, I made a point of checking with my spotmeter because I was quite surprised at first. In theory the closer to the equator the harsher the shadows at midday, but other factors seem to come into play.
Originally Posted by keithwms
These are "open" shadows which aren't deep because "there's so much light that the sky acts like a giant fill in diffuser". I guess a lot depends on what & where you are photographing, wide open places are no problem.
I do use N-2 development, but have never needed to yet here in the midday sun in Turkey
Roman? Greek? It looks English!
Originally Posted by Ian Grant
I live in Australia, I did a little experimen with my d*l SLR and a long lens with spot metering. I found at mid day, the highest contrast range I could find was 6 stops, between the sky, and an open faced parking garage under a high a rise building (which was the deepest shadow I could find at the time).
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1. Subjects that you want to render in the light that will be present, in order to best express your concept.
2. A film, exposure, and development combination that you know how to manipulate well to serve the needs of your desires coupled with the enlarging paper you will use to print the pix.
Then again, that's a pretty good formula to follow every photo, assuming you have the "luxuries" of forethought and preparation.
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I really enjoy the characteristics of Tri-X so I usually shoot that all the time no matter what the light. It looks great through most if not all of the situations I have been into with it...You could try Plus-X if you are looking to go slower...
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I've got GP3 which I love, a brick of Pan F+, FP4+ (love it), Tri-X, and T-Max 400 atm, and even more on the colour side.
Did some playing around today around mid day, with a polariser and fresh Ektacolor Pro 160.
I guess you have a lot of humidity and hence atmospheric scatter and lots of fill.... ?
Originally Posted by Ian Grant
I do need to visit Turkey, it seems a wonderful place for landscape and architecture and general ethnography.