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Thread: Is it just me?

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    I do whatever I need to do. If that means cropping, so be it. Cropping is just another alternative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mainecoonmaniac View Post
    Is full frame composing and printing laziness
    Yes, or at least for me. I try to get everything as close as I can--framing, exposure, etc.--"in camera" to reduce the amount of work I have to do later. That said, "cropping" and "framing" are just two words for the same action--deciding what goes in, and what does not. All that matters to the viewer is the final image.

    I do realize that there are some practical differences--if you are shooting some object, you have to decide, for instance, what angle of view before you press the shutter. You can't decide in the darkroom that you'd rather have it from the back. Even Photoshop isn't that good yet.
    "People get bumped off." -- Weegee

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    There have been about a 100 of these types of cropping threads.

    I generally separate cropping into 2 realms: utility and cheating.

    Utility cropping being very light clean up crops along the border to adjust for viewfinder inaccuracy, easel, etc. Usually less than 2%.

    Now the other is based on full on cropping meant to recompose an image after the fact. I consider that a crutch, cheating, etc.

    Besides the lens doesn't lie - it's usually obvious when an image is cropped - the angle of view and perspective look strange and it's yet another reason not to do it.

    Get it right the first time unless you absolutely cannot for other reasons.
    Stop worrying about grain, resolution, sharpness, and everything else that doesn't have a damn thing to do with substance.

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    the angle of view and perspective look strange and it's yet another reason not to do it.
    As far as I can tell, there is no geometrical difference between if you crop a picture or if you used a different lens/zoom to achieve the same composition. If it looks funny to you, it must be because you saw the original and so you also have that composition in your head or something.

    Of course cropping will change your grain, resolution and sharpness, though.

    EDIT: I looked at your sig; lol
    f/22 and be there.

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    With the focal lengths I use (under 50) you most definitely can see the distorted angle of view from a crop.

    I consider it cheating because it's a tactic used to get around lack of commitment at the time the original was shot.
    Stop worrying about grain, resolution, sharpness, and everything else that doesn't have a damn thing to do with substance.

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    If your crop is significantly off-center, and you don't tilt the easel to compensate, then you will have a distortion effect similar to using shift or rise on a view camera. I was only talking about central crops that is, trimming off sides or cropping a square to a centered rectangle.
    f/22 and be there.

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    Like others, shooting 35mm slides trained me to look at the complete frame and compose to the edges. I don't hesitate to crop if an image seems to require it. I find myself frustrated every now and then with 4x5 images. They might work fine as a contact print, but if I enlarge them the negative carrier shaves a sliver off each edge and I've no longer got the image I wanted. When I try to compensate while shooting, I always leave too much edge and end up cropping. Not a big deal, but those ones won't work as contact alt prints. sigh....

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    I compose full frame and print full frame most of the time. On occasion I'll change.

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    Ninety-nine percent of my printing is by contact printing the camera negative -- usually carbon prints or platinum prints. I prefer to show the rebate of the film when matting the platinum prints, so full-frame it is for me. Plus sometimes cropping the negative is not an option, as in the image below.

    And I understand what eddym is driving at with all the crop-crop-cropping. But I don't feel it that way. Instead I fill the frame with as much of the place as I can. It is actually all the same thing, just different ways of seeing and approaching the subject, I suppose.

    I have expanded my options. I primarily use an 8x10 camera. I have a modified dark slide that allows me to expose two 4x10's on an 8x10 piece of film. The 4x10 becomes a full frame image -- not a cropped 8x10. I have an extra darkslide lying around here somewhere that I will modify to give me an 8x8 negative on an 8x10 sheet of film. (I began photographing with a Rolleiflex, and do like the square!) Three different formats and the film rebate is maintained around the images.

    It can easily argued that all I am doing is cropping the negative before I expose it. But I tend to see it as carrying three different format cameras wrapped up into one.

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    I try to shoot full frame where I can, but have no problems cropping if I feel the final print needs it. As a woman I reserve the right to change my mind at any given time. That's what makes art and life interesting.

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