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    Forgive the simplicity, but isn't it possible that the juror just felt that other photos were better in his eyes...
    I definately agree! But as jovo said, they weren't looked at. If they did take the framed prints out of the plastic, you're correct mine may not have been good enough, but we'll never know. I'm ok with not being good enough, it just means I'll work harder.

    ...making a formal complaint might be a good idea. At least the sponsoring organization may be much more alert when selecting a juror in the future.
    Thank you for your words; it would be my sincerest hope that a well written letter explaining the above would matter, I don't know if they will care. I will probably be considered a "soup grapes loser."

    Hmmm -- I bet I know which show this is. None of my three pieces made it either and they were in the landscape/natural element side of things. The show of which I speak hung 80 pieces out of 701 submissions, so I just assumed it's the luck of the draw (after all, I belong to APUG, surely I'm a photographic genius - it couldn't be my fault! ). Said exhibit was only partially hung when I was there and I did observe most of what was up involved people.
    You may know! Yes, only modern contemporary people photos (many very good!). Wow, 701 pieces! That's $5,608!!!! If they said only portraiture, they'd have received less than half that. That's a nice business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derek Jecxz View Post
    I definately agree! But as jovo said, they weren't looked at. If they did take the framed prints out of the plastic, you're correct mine may not have been good enough, but we'll never know. I'm ok with not being good enough, it just means I'll work harder.
    That's a good point that I skipped over when I was writing. It does shift my opinion. By entering you should at the bare minimum expect fair consideration, which that was not. Voicing your concerns may not be such a bad idea if it's based on that complaint.
    "Technology is a big destroyer of emotion and truth. Opportunity doesn't do anything for creativity. Yeah, it makes it easier and you can get home sooner, but it doesn't make you a more creative person. That's the disease you have to fight in any creative field.. ease of use." - Jack White

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    Take this advice freely offered for what it is worth - in my own personal experience, it is most likely to be an unsatisfying experience when you enter work in an all-media or all-subject show. You have no guidance as to what will or will not be accepted, or under which criteria. You will have a much better chance of being accepted if you carefully select shows to submit to that have known jurors and/or defined themes/selection criteria announced in advance. Otherwise, it is absolutely 100% up to the whim and sentiment of the juror.

    That said, what was done to you was an injustice and insulting. I would definitely write a formal letter of complaint to the sponsoring organization to let them know that this is unacceptable. Don't put any "threats" of future action in the letter - just be as clear, calm and professional with them as you have been here. But, I would also refrain from submitting work in the future, thus denying them your financial support.

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    I was president of a local art guild for 3 years, and am now enjoying my first year of letting someone else listen to all the complaints.

    We sponsor a juried exhibition every year. One thing that we insist on is that the selection of the juror(s) is final. It is natural for entrants to be disappointed when none of their works were selected, but we have tried very hard to make our members understand that a juried show is not a critique. The juror does not owe an explanation to anyone regarding their selections. There may exist shows that do include a critique from the juror to the entrants, but ours does not. This year we have had to tell our members not to approach a juror to challenge their decision, because one member did just that. This puts the juror on the spot, and they may or may not even remember the artist's work, and they may try to smooth over the bruised ego by making excuses. This helps no one, and it calls into question the validity of the exhibition and the sponsoring organization.

    Speaking from this experience "on the other side" of the issue, I suggest that you not complain, nor write a letter. You may be disappointed, but even though I personally was impressed by the pieces you provided links to, still the juror may not have felt that they fit in with the rest of the show that he was curating. That's what a juried show is, by the way; it is an entity created by the juror from works created by other artists. If he feels that certain works do not fit in with his vision of the show (whether you agree with his vision or not), he will not select them, and for good reason. For the same reason, we insist that once selected for our show, the works must be available for exhibition. If the artist sells the piece, we insist that they tell the buyer that it must be borrowed back for our show. Noncompliance with this rule will result in ineligibility if future shows.

    Again, I know you are disappointed, and I can assure you that if you continue to enter juried shows, you will be disappointed again. I've been rejected plenty of times! But don't let that stop you. Just take the high road, don't write any letters, but keep entering shows.

    Oh, an anudder t'ing... Always take off the plastic. Don't ask, just do it. Probably wouldn't have made any difference this time, but next time it might.
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    Derek, you've handled this well by taking the high road thus far. I say continue that wise plan of action.

    Let it go, move on, forget about writing letters. I think doing so will make you seem petty, which does not seem like the kind of person you are.
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    I'va entered prints in shows and competitions a couple of times, but never won anything - and generally don't get showed if there are other prints at all.

    But then I had some in a competition where a number of judges were giving points to each print, and the entrants were given a breakdown of the points after the event was over: All of mine were graded "0, 9, 0, 10, 2, 9, 10, 1," and so on. Thinking about it for a bit I concluded that about half the jurors loved my prints, the other half hated them. And that must be better than the winning entry, which was graded a solid 8,10,8,9,9,7,9,8 or something like that? Speaking to others as well as some of the jurors I discovered that my prints had received more "10's" than any others - but also more "0's".

    You've just met one of the "0" jurors, and his vote was the only one. Next time there will be a different one, and that may be a "10"-man.
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    This has nothing to do with your post, but your site, which has some really nice stuff by the way. I am using Firefox on a Mac running OSX. something or other. There is a scroll bar that runs through the middle of the images. Sometimes it is there sometimes it is not.
    Technological society has succeeded in multiplying the opportunities for pleasure, but it has great difficulty in generating joy. Pope Paul VI

    So, I think the "greats" were true to their visions, once their visions no longer sucked. Ralph Barker 12/2004

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    I think talking with all of you has helped more than writing any letter could. I am truly appreciative, thank you.

    After carefully considering all of the great guidence in this thread, I've decided that I'm going to move on and put this experience behind me--I'm not going to make them important enough for me to spend time on a letter.

    I also think that I will reduce the number of juried exhibitions that I submit to... most don't sell anything and all I do is increase the bank account of the gallery. I just have to figure out the next step for my artwork, any advice?

    There is a scroll bar that runs through the middle of the images.
    Mark-thank you! I know about this problem with my website; under some browsers the scrollbar you're seeing is in the pop-up frame for the lightbox feature--it works on most browsers and the only option was to remove the scrollbar for one or two browsers, but the scrollbar was necessary. I am sorry about this, but fixing it would mean removing a feature that works in many other browsers.

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    BTW, Derek, I thought your photographs were excellent. Remember that they weren't rejected...they were simply never adjudicated.
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    Hi Derek, best to do your own show!

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