I have a Noblex 150 and a 7x17" camera, and I've owned a 6x17 back which I've sold, and I sometimes shoot half-frame 8x10". I've also stitched digital panoramas, and there's no question in my mind that a continuous swing-lens image is better than a stitched panorama made of discrete frames. If there's a moving subject, you'll always have some bad stitches on close inspection, and there's always some distortion introduced by remapping a faceted image as if it were a continuous swing-lens image.
But most people don't notice these problems, particularly if they've never knowingly seen a real swing-lens image, and it's incredibly convenient to be able to shoot the occasional pano with a DSLR that you're already using. So it's going to be a hard sell, figuring this is going to be an expensive camera, like the Globuscope and similar cameras have always been, and was the Globuscope ever a really big seller?
But maybe it could be paired with software for 360 VR imaging, but how popular is that, really? Even with a tool as easy to use as Photosynth, it's a fair amount of work to produce a good one, and there aren't so many subjects suited to that treatment. Maybe someone doing some high-end architectural photography could be interested in a 360 degree medium format camera for making very detailed 360 VR images.
It seems like the kind of camera that a few specialists would want, and that would make a good rental for occasional use.
Originally Posted by RalphLambrecht
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While I have interest in wide panoramic cameras, my interest stops short of the 180 degree span. 360 is beyond my interest.
That said, I am hugely greatful that Adox is asking questions like this and working to keep film alive and interesting. Thanks Agx.
I agree that the use of the camera might be viable to a much wider audience if the rotation could be programmable.
Jamie Young usually shows up at Bill Schwab's Photostock event in Michigan, and he brings Cirkut cameras with him to make full rotation panoramic shots of the group of people there. I know it's really difficult for him to find film and to keep the craft going. If this was for standard 35mm or 120 film, the format would be more viable again.
Our local hero Chris Faust just did commissioned staff portraits for a big local bank, using his Cirkut with hundreds of employees in the same frame, with a very old camera (that he had to repair on the spot) and on what was probably fairly ancient film. But he got the job done, so I think there might even be some commercial viability here.
I have personally been interested in photographing in panoramic format, but more printing 8x18" prints from 35mm film, because I like the grain that I get in them.
I would imagine that most people would be scanning their film, since 120 is too small to be contact printed (for most people), and incredibly difficult to enlarge unless there was some kind of roller transport with film and paper moving in unison, or specialized enlargers. What's the vision with respect to output from this camera?
Those are some thoughts that will hopefully stimulate the discussion and add a positive flavor.
"Often moments come looking for us". - Robert Frank
"Make good art!" - Neil Gaiman
"...the heart and mind are the true lens of the camera". - Yousuf Karsh
FWIW (surely nothing) my take on this is that it looks interesting. More than anything, I'm pleased to see that there is enough life in the world of film that people are even thinking about new product development. That alone surprises me. I would truly love to see these things take off, causing countless miles of film to be consumed by eager users.
All that being said, I can't imagine buying one of these. I'm just not interested in panoramas, so I'm not the market anyway.
This does seem like an example of "if the crowd is running north, walk south", which may be the opportunity. The action in panoramas is using Gigapan to take monster images at events so people can zoom in and tag themselves on Facebook. That's fine, but doesn't really interest me either.
Anyway, I wish Adox all the best, and thank them for their efforts.
I shoot digital when I have to (most of those shots end up here
) and film (occasionally one of those shots ends up here
) when I want to.
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I beg to differ. I know Tim Rudman used APUG to probe the market for the re-issue of his Toning book, and you yourself used APUG to let us know about the second issue of WBM. I applaud this, as I do Adox probing the market for this new venture. Hopefully it will help them to allocate funds wisely, choosing between their various project, not least of which the ressurection of Polywarmtone!
Originally Posted by RalphLambrecht
Excited that there is talk of designing a new camera - not too excited about a 360 degree panoramic.
Don't think it's that. But I imagine many amateur users such as myself have coveted lots of beautiful gear over the years, but with no chance of ever buying or using it. I'd love a camera like this, but, being realistic, couldn't afford it and, tbh, don't need it. I've so much photo gear now, and so many projects I'd like to do, that I've no hope of doing all ideas which I have in my lifetime !
Originally Posted by Tom1956
This would be considerably more viable in the market if the resulting negative could be easily scanned. For instance, in a holder for an Epson 700/750 scanner.
And if it could also be enlarged using a 5x7 enlarger, even better.
“Photography is a complex and fluid medium, and its many factors are not applied in simple sequence. Rather, the process may be likened to the art of the juggler in keeping many balls in the air at one time!”
Ansel Adams, from the introduction to The Negative - The New Ansel Adams Photography Series / Book 2
I don't see a market for that one. Perhaps 20 a year?
I have another product idea even if it is completely off topic:
What about a basic "small" 8x10 enlarger which fits on a desk with normal room height and allows a 20x24 enlargement with a 240mm lens? All those used Laborators etc. are huge monsters which do not fit in most darkrooms. I think that could have a potential market.