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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Croubie View Post
    Just a suggestion, maybe put a Canon EF mount on it by default? EF is an almost 'universal acceptor', then you can mount any of Nikon, Pentax, M42, Leica R lenses. The more available lenses the more popular it might be. With a Nikon mount you can only really mount Nikon lenses (and MF goes with everything of course).
    MF can take a mamiya 7 lens?
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    You don't a lens covering any MF image diagonal, but only the image height.

    But nevertheless the optical construction must be apt for the camera.

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    Adox meanwhile stated that the camera would accept 3 different focal lenghts.

    (One could not deduce that from photo of the camera at the start of this thread. Well, maybe by the protruding base...).

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    While the price point is far out from anything I would spend on a panorama camera as yet - the idea, I think is really interesting. 3000 Eu is similar to say what a D800 would run to, right? And this is far more specialised, can shoot more formats - so there might be a market for it. Not as broad, but definitely available as Niche - plus the Nikon mount is again a great idea.

    I dont know what Adox is hinting to in saying they're using 2014's technologies, I'd say why not include possiblities of using a polaroid/fujiroid as well with it?


    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Croubie View Post
    Just a suggestion, maybe put a Canon EF mount on it by default? EF is an almost 'universal acceptor', then you can mount any of Nikon, Pentax, M42, Leica R lenses. The more available lenses the more popular it might be. With a Nikon mount you can only really mount Nikon lenses (and MF goes with everything of course).
    There is a reason even Canon went with Nikon mount for its video cameras..

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    Quote Originally Posted by analoguey View Post
    I'd say why not include possiblities of using a polaroid/fujiroid as well with it?
    Simply as the film path of such cameras is not beneficial to those instant films. A complete different film transport is most likely needed.
    And still this would end up only with rather square formats (by panorama standards).

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    Will Rollei Pan work in this new camera?
    Everytime I find a film or paper that I like, they discontinue it. - Paul Strand - Aperture monograph on Strand

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce Osgood View Post
    For my needs, this camera would be a complete waste of time, film and money.
    because you have never really and deeply invested time in rotating cameras, right? The same with 3d-film and 3d-photography. Nobody needs it right? only with a rotating cam this shot would be possible:
    www.auschwitzpanorama.tk btw: roundshot 65/70/220- agfa 70mm 1/60 4 secs around. 1/60 to stop down lens.

    in my opinion that new camera needs focus and shift. but the latter is not possible with 35mm lenses and 120 film. why not borrow the roundshot-technique? ask seitz about that. moving slit outwards in a curve to enlarge distance to lens to focus closer. why? because stopping down to get mor DOF means slower exposure times, slow rotating= blurred perpons. shiftlens on the new camera would give high-quality. arsat made 35mm pc-lens for nikon. i would make the camera adjustable for other lenses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CatLABS View Post
    One thing has nothing to do with the other. A film camera will not be "competition" to a similar digital product, they simply two different things on every level.
    There are at least 2 crowd funding projects for a design of a 360 degree ball camera that will give 360 degrees in sphere. Those are not designed for commercial use, so comparing those to a complex camera mount that creates and stitches a spherical image is pointless.
    their quality will be very bad compared to the adox/mx. btw: the design comes from gilda lelostec who "made" also the panomachine. it was he who made the first 50/120/360 cams. see the image of the cam.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Croubie View Post
    I've done more than enough digital stitching to know how much I hate it, there's a lot of pain when stitching the photos together, especially in trying to calculate the exact nodal-point to swing around (and then getting your tripod and head to actually swing around the correct point). Enough of a headache that I haven't really bothered much after testing and I'll probably sell my Nodal Ninja one day.

    DIY digital (using a dslr) has the advantage that all the test shots needed are free and immediate, film SLRs can't do it cheaply or quickly (at least, not enough for me to bother).

    Pre-built (film or digital) have the advantage that all the nodal point stuff has been figured out in design, all you have to do is mount it level and press the button and you're done.

    There's the half pre-built and half-diy automated solutions like GigaPan, but how expensive are they?

    Having an all-in-one shot film camera removes all the headaches of stitching, but then you need a huge scanner/enlarger anyway. Depends on the vertical angle of view. If you can get a 360-round-trip in, say, a 6x24cm bit of 120-film with a wide-angle lens then you can at least use an 8x10 enlarger or flatbed scanner. If your lens is narrower and you need a full 2-feet of film to get 360-degrees then there are not many enlargers or scanners on the planet that can handle that without cutting and stitching later.

    The biggest annoyance when making 360-degree panos, whether film or digital, is getting the exposure right. Unless you've got a completely soft-box-cloudy sun-free day, then you're going to have major spot blown out and major spots black, even with B+W or C41 film.
    Hence I'd definitely prefer a user-selectable model, at least 90/180/270/360 degrees, like a DaYi 67/69/612/617 selectable-back. Even if you're stuck doing the whole roll on the same setting, it's still better than only doing 360.
    certain scanners need new holders, like the epson 750 which stupidly had filmwindows lenghtwise other than 4990 where very long stripes could be feeded sideways. if the scanner cannot take up long film there is only one solution: shooting everything three times. first shot: uncut. second and third shot cut in the way to be able to feed the scanner and stitch.
    I know two persons who offered scannerholders, third one if filmscanusa.(ebay). jsut asked to special panorama-holder. they would hardly begin from scratch to meet our requirement of endless film. one must also know: if you want to decide afterwards at which position of the print a certain subjects should be then one must shoot 2x 360° and a bit more. not easy when stitching is needed because of the limited scanner. the same must be shot 3x. how can theis be done with 120/220 film. Why could adox not offer 120-bulkfilm plus paper so we could produce our own 220? 120 film with the paper is not an easy task in rotating-cams. I can do it in roundshot but i must take care and cannot shoot/rotate quickly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ADOX Fotoimpex View Post
    The German manufacturer of panoramic camera systems MK and ADOX are evaluating the possibility of producing a new analog medium format 360° panoramic camera.
    Currently we are evaluating the price point. This thread is to get feedback if you think there is a need for such a camera in new condition or if you think the used market serves everyone perfectly.
    Obviously it will not be cheap but on the other hand Leicas have their prices as well.

    I know I should tell you the exact price but we need to wait a little for this information.

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    the cam must take up 70mm cartridges filled with 120 film-no 70mm or maybe yes. option for both with different spool. 70mm spools with 120-stoppers added. xkaes can deliver cutters. it is easy to virtual cut the film at the right position during shooting and cut it there in the darkroom. adox pls listen. it is easy to find the beginning and cut the right lenght/220 to develop eighter normal or 70mm film. ok 70mm film is no good options since their is only expensive ilford around. If 70mm cartridges then 70mm film option is up to us. it is easily doable. see here how to load in paterson tank. the same is possible with jobo 2500. i would not use 1500 system due to narrower reels.
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    adox should listen to me not like noble dresden when they began noble p3 multiformat incl. stereo. it was the time i was digging through 3dstereo-technologies. they stopped the project because they did not see a possbility to show 3d-images... how stupid they did not contact me. the main reason was nobles son speculated millions in real-estate-fathers money!
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