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    Indeed, I think Adox Pan 25 AND Rollei Pan 25 (very very close films) are discontinued. In fact, if my sources are sure, these films was emulsions from Filmotec (ORWO). But Filmotec has no coating facilities and used to use the Forte plant. Since Forte closed its doors, lots of references has been discontinued.


    Quote Originally Posted by Film-Niko View Post
    AFAIK Pan 25 (not CHS 25, which is indeed a different film, I know for sure because I have used both) is discontinued. I remember it was mentioned in a german forum some time ago.

    I was a big fan of the original Agfa APX 25. I've been looking for a replacement for a long time.
    I've tested Rollei Pan 25 and Adox Pan 25, but was not satiesfied. Good films, but they couldn't match Agfa APX 25.
    APX 25 has had much better detail: Higher resolution, better sharpness and finer grain, and therefore was better suitable for bigger prints. Curve shape was better with APX as well.
    And Agfas QC was much better, I've always got top quality.

    Now, finally, I have found a replacement which completely satisfy me.
    It even surpasses Agfa APX 25 significantly:

    It's from Agfa-Gevaert again (fresh production from Belgium):
    Agfa Copex Rapid, developed in the dedicated developer SPUR Modular UR New (part A1 + B).

    With this film-developer combination I achieve the following advantages compared to Agfa APX 25 and Adox Pan 25:

    - higher effective speed with ISO 40/17°
    - wonderful linear chracteristic curve, excellent shadow detail and tonality
    - much, much better resolution; Agfa Copex Rapid delivers incredible high resolution
    - significantly better sharpness
    - finer grain

    The quality level is outstanding: I have directly compared 35mm Agfa Copex Rapid with my 6x6 medium format Plus-X, Fomapan 100 and FP4+ shots (exactly same shooting conditions). Made 16x20" prints from both.
    The 35mm Agfa Copex Rapid / Spur Modular UR New prints surpass the prints from medium format 6x6 Plus-X, FP4+, Fomapan.
    Better detail with the Copex Rapid 35mm pictures. And excellent tonality.

    It's photography heaven for me: I can combine the advantages of my 35mm system with medium format quality.
    And with Copex Rapid 120 I am very near to 4x5" with Fomapan 100 or FP4+.
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    Hallo Michael, bevor du Spekualtionen über unsere Produktionspartner in der Öffentlichkeit postest,
    frage mich doch einfach. Ich bin gerne bereit, detaillierte Auskünfte zu erteilen.

    Unser Haus arbeitet seit vielen Jahren nicht mehr mit dem angesprochenen Unternehmen.
    Wir hatten uns statt dessen für die Agfa entschieden, so einfach ist das eigentlich.

    Unsere Rollei Pan 25 sind eine selektierte Version der Efke Pan 25.
    Die auf Efke basierenden 35mm Filme sind zwischenzeitlich ausverkauft,
    von den Rollfilmen 120 sind auch nur noch etwa 6.000 Stück vorrätig.

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    Sebastian
    However in some way, Filmotec was also involved in this project. Mr. Sebastian J. seems to be product manager for the Rollei-Maco company.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aurelien View Post
    Indeed, I think Adox Pan 25 AND Rollei Pan 25 (very very close films) are discontinued. In fact, if my sources are sure, these films was emulsions from Filmotec (ORWO).
    Maco recently confirmed that Rollei Pan 25 is a "selected" EFKE 25 and that it is discontinued.

    http://www.aphog.de/forum/viewtopic....174139#p174139
    Regards,
    Andreas

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    Last time I asked Photoimpex about Adox Pan 25, they replied "We have a rest of the ADOX Pan 25/135" That was in february 2011.
    Now, I see on their website that Adox Pan 100 is coming - sounds good!

    I second the Copex rapid/135! Its excellent

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    PAN 25 and CMS 20 with new ADOTECH II

    PAN 25:
    .. is NOT CHS 25. We never sell the same material in two different ADOX-boxes.

    PAN 25 can be produced again but minimum production quantities do not justify this step at this point with so many excellent alternative choices beeing on the market.
    We are currently confectioning the last master roll in 120 size. There will be a few thousand PAN 25 - 120 films in stock soon.

    CMS 20:

    The slightly S-shaped curve of CMS 20 was always the disadvantage of this otherwise in any parameter superior film.

    I am pleased to announce that with the new ADOTECH II developer beeing only a few days from it´s release this disadvantage will be overcome.
    The new version produces a much straighter curve and even less tendency to turbulence clouds in large homogenous areas than ADOTECH I (called only ADOTECH).
    The new version is perfect for the new 120 CMS 20 which we have produced in the past weeks and which is already out for sale.

    Copex Rapid is a very good film as well but CMS 20 is by far superior in fine grain and detail contrast.

    In respect to the obvious disaffirmation which some mainly US based photographers seem to have against a working and perfected imaging system containing a microfilm plus a dedicated developer I can comment that you are ofcourse free in your choice but the results will very probably be inferior.

    ADOTECH II is the outcome of 15 years of research with about 25 improvements undertaken each costing many rolls of film and liters of developer and hundreds of hours in the studio and darkroom to tweak it to perfection. The developer is perfected not only to this special film but actually down to the very emulsion. We produce large amounts of raw film, freeze it, formulate ADOTECH II to the actual batch number and sell for a period of about 5 years a constant and working imaging system. After 5 years (which is today after the introduction of the first CMS 20 plus ADOTECH) we work all improvements of the past in the next generation and produce a new batch.

    Theoretically one could sit down and do all this work by himself, if he has the knowledge and time available, but to me this makes no sense. Especially in respect to the price of CMS 20 plus ADOTECH II. 5 Rolls plus developer are not more expensive than 5 rolls of Delta 100 plus a regular high quality liquid developer made by another main brand.

    Kind regards,

    Mirko
    Last edited by ADOX Fotoimpex; 07-16-2011 at 04:59 AM. Click to view previous post history. Reason: Poor English ;-)

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    Fantastic!!!
    Thanks a lot!

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    Mirko,

    Thank you for the updated information. I can't wait to try some
    Dave

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    She's always out the window, When it comes to making Dreams.

    It's all mixed up, It's all mixed up, It's all mixed up."

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    Where to buy in the USA

    This is my first post. Living in the USA where does one purchase the 120 cms 20 and the adotech II?

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    You might like Ilford Pan-F Plus rated at ISO 25 and developed in D-23. I have never been satisfied with document films and find they are always too contrasty for my taste.
    A rock pile ceases to be a rock pile the moment a single man contemplates it, bearing within him the image of a cathedral.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aengelphoto View Post
    This is my first post. Living in the USA where does one purchase the 120 cms 20 and the adotech II?
    Yikes! Good question. I see that Freesyle carries CMS in 35mm and also lists the Developer. Maybe a inquiry at Freestyle would shed some light on this?
    Dave

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    She's always out the window, When it comes to making Dreams.

    It's all mixed up, It's all mixed up, It's all mixed up."

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