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    Quote Originally Posted by cliveh View Post
    But does that make it a good photo, or a $ value photo?
    That was precisely my point. I was questioning the OP's definition of "good".

    In the modern USA, good and valuable are synonymous; any question of aesthetics is moot.

    Would Moonrise Hernandez be considered "good" in a less commercialized society?
    That was the essence of my reply.

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    I find it both interesting and beautiful.

    As I have seen so many reproductions of it, it has lost most of its ability to "surprise", but it remains effective and strong.

    In this world where hype is everywhere, it seems to me to be able to stand on its own, despite having received more than its share.
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    “Photography is a complex and fluid medium, and its many factors are not applied in simple sequence. Rather, the process may be likened to the art of the juggler in keeping many balls in the air at one time!”

    Ansel Adams, from the introduction to The Negative - The New Ansel Adams Photography Series / Book 2

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    I think I understand what he saw, driving down the road, as he described it. The sun on the crosses and the buildings.

    But by the time he stopped, set up the camera, and took the shot, the moment was gone. His attempt to recreate that magic
    from a negative that was poorly exposed (his assessment) and lacking the required contrast was not entirely successful (IMO).

    We've all experienced that moment when the sun's reflection is perfect, and the subject lights up as if on fire, then it's gone.

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    Last edited by Leigh B; 09-01-2012 at 06:34 PM. Click to view previous post history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eclarke View Post
    Ansel Adams, who could beat us all to death with prehistoric equipment and supplies, was extremely excited about this scene..We're all trolling critics and Ansel was an artist..if you don't get it, figure out why you aren't smart enough..EC
    So, are we all supposed to like beets, okra, and Stephen Shore's work too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by markbarendt View Post
    So, are we all supposed to like beets...
    I like beets.

    Oh... Did you mean that we should like photographs of beets???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leigh B View Post
    I like beets.

    Oh... Did you mean that we should like photographs of beets???

    - Leigh
    At least it's only one outta the three.
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    Well, I'm ambivalent about okra, and I don't know Stephen Shore at all, so I decided to restrict my comments.

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    IMO, no one's opinion matters but yours in the judgement of things you want to look at.
    If you like it, then it's good, if not, then it isn't. I have this conversation often with my wife. That you may not like something that lots of other people do doesn't make your opinion invalid. Vive la difference!

    As for that particular photo, I happen to like it, FWIW. Interestingly, earlier this year I went to a talk by John Sexton, and he showed two examples of that photograph, one was a straight print, the other was what we're all familiar with. As noted earlier, the straight print is awful. It's a good lesson in how important the final rendering of a negative into a print is.
    (assuming you like the picture in the first place )
    Last edited by bdial; 09-01-2012 at 08:38 PM. Click to view previous post history.

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    If you google for it, I think you can still find a straight proof of "Moonrise Hernandez.". IIRC it was on the GEH website.

    AA is my favorite artist but "Moonrise" is probably the work of his that I like least. I much prefer "The Tetons and the Snake River."
    All this has happened before, and all this will happen again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leigh B View Post
    I think I understand what he saw, driving down the road, as he described it. The sun on the crosses and the buildings.

    But by the time he stopped, set up the camera, and took the shot, the moment was gone. His attempt to recreate that magic
    from a negative that was poorly exposed (his assessment) and lacking the required contrast was not entirely successful (IMO).

    We've all experienced that moment when the sun's reflection is perfect, and the subject lights up as if on fire, then it's gone.

    - Leigh
    Adams gave conflicting accounts of its making. He was rather blase' in his earlier account, and described how he metered.
    In his later one he said he could not find his meter, but he knew the luminance of the full moon, and exposed by that. He said he was not able to get a duplicate "safety" shot, as the light had changed by the time he could reverse the holder and pull the dark slide.
    Last edited by lxdude; 09-01-2012 at 09:57 PM. Click to view previous post history. Reason: spelling
    I do use a digital device in my photographic pursuits when necessary.
    When someone rags on me for using film, I use a middle digit, upraised.

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