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    Quote Originally Posted by Prof_Pixel View Post
    Photoshop is simply another tool - and like all tools, can be used for good or bad.

    Someplace I saw an article where someone created a set of layers in Photoshop that implemented all of Adam's printing instructions.

    IMO, manipulation in any form is manipulation.
    Hmmm... Prof_Pixel, another tool?

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    It is a good photograph because it is interesting to the eye and mind, and it tells a story if you allow it to. The vastness of space, the wind whipped human outpost on a barren rocky plain. Even the mountains are dwarfed by vast space. tiny crosses imply the hopeless vulnerability of humanity.

    Really, I cannot imagine how someone could conclude "that is not a good print."

    But to each his own...

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    Yes, PS is just another tool kit, rather than a single tool, and can be used by either a genius or a fool. Good for mimicking this or that; but how things evolved in the first place often gives them their
    historical importance. I was saw a remark in NG mag that when Timothy O Sullivan first saw a 35mm
    camera in old age he wished he'd had one when he went down the Colorado River in a wooden dory.
    Thank goodness, he didn't - or else instead of the iconic epic shots of his we now have, it would have been something more journalistic and Geographicky. Sometimes less is more. And for that reason, just about everyone I know who used PS responsibly is also someone who learned what they
    want in a darkroom first! Turn a kid loose in a candy shop with no supervision, and he'll eat enough
    to barf. And that's just about what most Fauxtoshop prints look like to me! Not the fault of the
    technology, but of having way too much horsepower in an automobile with a kid behind the wheel
    who probably couldn't steer a lawnmower. Slow down, folks, maybe you'll actually see something!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatchetman View Post
    It is a good photograph because it is interesting to the eye and mind, and it tells a story if you allow it to. The vastness of space, the wind whipped human outpost on a barren rocky plain. Even the mountains are dwarfed by vast space. tiny crosses imply the hopeless vulnerability of humanity.
    "...and it tells a story if you allow it to."

    This is exactly what I meant when I said "The viewing needs to be participatory."

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    "There is very limited audience for the arty stuff, and it is largely comprised of other arty types, most of whom have no money to spend because no one is buying their stuff either. More people bring their emotions to an image than bring their intellect. The former are the folks who have checkbooks because they are engineers, accountants, and bankers—and generally they are engineers, accountants and bankers because they are not artists."

    — Amanda Tomlin, Looking Glass Magazine, 2014

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    Quote Originally Posted by DREW WILEY View Post
    Turn a kid loose in a candy shop with no supervision, and he'll eat enough
    to barf. And that's just about what most Fauxtoshop prints look like to me! Not the fault of the
    technology, but of having way too much horsepower in an automobile with a kid behind the wheel
    who probably couldn't steer a lawnmower.

    You know, I've seen some pretty horrific prints come out of darkrooms as well.


    Anyway, the point of my earlier posting was to question if if is the tools used to make a great image or the artistic vision of the photographer that is important. My money is with the artistic vision of the photographer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prof_Pixel View Post
    Photoshop is simply another tool - and like all tools, can be used for good or bad.

    Someplace I saw an article where someone created a set of layers in Photoshop that implemented all of Adam's printing instructions.

    IMO, manipulation in any form is manipulation.
    http://mosaicdesignservices.com/webg...ffectPSCS2.pdf
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    Jim,

    That's one I hadn't seen.

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    God help us all...



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    "There is very limited audience for the arty stuff, and it is largely comprised of other arty types, most of whom have no money to spend because no one is buying their stuff either. More people bring their emotions to an image than bring their intellect. The former are the folks who have checkbooks because they are engineers, accountants, and bankers—and generally they are engineers, accountants and bankers because they are not artists."

    — Amanda Tomlin, Looking Glass Magazine, 2014

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    Despite AA's open-mindedness to the dawn of dramatically newer technology, his own darkroom was
    hardly state of the art even back then. Then when we reivew those moments of ephiphany in his
    personal history, like when he discovered how a simple red filter used for "Monolith", the face of Half
    Dome, would forever change his own way of looking at things, it puts things in better perspective.
    He learned to look and (correctly termed or not) "previsualize". Many so-called photographers today
    don't even known how to look. How one interprets the shot is a related by distinct subject. Ansel was really attuned to the quality of light and how it defined real scenes. ALL photographs are some
    kind of manipulation - just pointing the camera a certain direction means you are taking something
    and turning it into something else, within a new context. But some illusionists are quite skilled at it,
    and making it convincing, and then there's a considerable number of wannabees who show their clumsy hand.

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    And my point is a great print that comes out of the darkroom is hand made, photoshop is not. I have been using it professionally since 1991, photoshop is computer aided photography, not the darkroom by any stretch.

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof_Pixel View Post
    You know, I've seen some pretty horrific prints come out of darkrooms as well.


    Anyway, the point of my earlier posting was to question if if is the tools used to make a great image or the artistic vision of the photographer that is important. My money is with the artistic vision of the photographer.
    "I'm the freak that shoots film. God bless the freaks!" ~ Mainecoonmaniac ~



 

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