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    Quote Originally Posted by tkamiya View Post
    It can hurt children! Well, children today see far more explicit stuff on television....
    A while ago I saw a comment on a photograph showing a pair of bare breasts - "not suitable for children". What are they for then?!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Smith View Post
    A while ago I saw a comment on a photograph showing a pair of bare breasts - "not suitable for children". What are they for then?!!


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    I have no problem with nudity although I think the majority of people look much better with their clothes on, although I've been a lifetime portrait photographer and like shooting pin -up stuff my personal efforts at shooting tasteful female nudes have been so abysmal that I gave it up about 20 years ago however I do like shooting pin-up stuff and find it much more fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by benjiboy View Post
    I have no problem with nudity
    Except my own.. I have sympathy with Sean. The galleries are for subscribers only, and so the level of moderation should be limited. I haven't seen anything there that was worse than watching an episode of Game of Thrones, I think.

    If there is something worth objecting to, it is tasteless, unimaginative nude photography. I think that does far more harm than the degree of nudity. And there seems to be an awful lot of that around, except here on APUG.

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    I haven't looked at APUG for a few days so I guess I missed what happened. I think I was the first responder to the original thread but hopefully I'm not on John's ignore list now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneNYC View Post
    I think it's partially my fault, I was upset at a previous private interaction and took to heart that part of the thread could have to do specifically with my own work.
    That explains why I had no idea what you or John were talking about
    Nice work. You have a very talented computer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by giannisg2004 View Post
    We're a joke.

    We can't have a civilized discussion for longer than a bunch of teens.
    if you read the discussion that i started ( the thread ian was referring to )
    it was a civilized discussion with a lot of different opinions.
    the thread asked what people who make figurative work believe makes "good" work

    there weren't many T+A comments so it really wasn't juvenile in that way ...
    but unfortunately the thread was hijacked by someone who had an agenda / axe to grind with me ( the OP )
    because of something that happened 5-6 months ago and he couldn't let it go.

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    regarding THIS thread ...

    so if someone wants to comment that they don't like a nude posted in the gallery
    because they find it vulgar or whatever, that person isn't allowed to make a comment about
    why they don't like the image?

    whether it is because the viewer thought the looked sleezy or they found it offensive for other reasons
    i don't see why someone shouldn't be able to post comments about the work ... good or bad.

    a lot of figurative work isn't very good ( IMHO ) others are the best photographs i have ever seen.
    the not so good stuff is more about " hey look at me, look what i got my model to do, aren't i great "
    while the good stuff is from somewhere else. if someone isnt' able to say " ewww " to the bad ones
    how is the person who posted it ever going to grow as a photographer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tkamiya View Post
    This reminds me of an incident 6 months to a year ago. Someone posted in gallery what I thought was a very well done female nude. The "critical parts" were well outside of critical focus, so you can't see "anything." But, the subject matter was female self-pleasuring. Someone started a thread to talk about this gallery posting. Nasty things were said. The work was pulled by the poster siting lack of respect to his work and his model. (the model saw APUG discussions, apparently)

    THAT was sad..... this pseudo puritanism... if that's a real word. It can hurt children! Well, children today see far more explicit stuff on television.... but we must pretend, we must ban those things because it damages something..... We all know what's under clothing. We all know what everybody does in their respective homes. Yet, we pretend we don't - because it's impure....
    I didn't see the incident in question and I have no objection to the subject matter. But I have a difficult time conceiving how it could be done artfully and not pornographically. The title of this thread implies that nudity itself is somehow an art form, and it's not.
    Nice work. You have a very talented computer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tkamiya View Post
    This reminds me of an incident 6 months to a year ago. Someone posted in gallery what I thought was a very well done female nude. The "critical parts" were well outside of critical focus, so you can't see "anything." But, the subject matter was female self-pleasuring. Someone started a thread to talk about this gallery posting. Nasty things were said. The work was pulled by the poster ...
    If it's the image I remember, I found nothing offensive about it, either. The one I'm thinking of was a bromoil, which obscured anything which could be considered graphic. It was only the model's expression which led some to believe she was self-pleasuring.

    I really haven't seen much (if any) resistance to nudes being posted in the Gallery. In fact, the ones I've posted are the most viewed of any of my uploads. I'd like to think we're all adult enough to criticize them based on compositional/technical reasons, and not on subject matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnanian View Post
    if you read the discussion that i started ( the thread ian was referring to )
    it was a civilized discussion with a lot of different opinions.
    the thread asked what people who make figurative work believe makes "good" work

    there weren't many T+A comments so it really wasn't juvenile in that way ...
    but unfortunately the thread was hijacked by someone who had an agenda / axe to grind with me ( the OP )
    because of something that happened 5-6 months ago and he couldn't let it go.

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    regarding THIS thread ...

    so if someone wants to comment that they don't like a nude posted in the gallery
    because they find it vulgar or whatever, that person isn't allowed to make a comment about
    why they don't like the image?

    whether it is because the viewer thought the looked sleezy or they found it offensive for other reasons
    i don't see why someone shouldn't be able to post comments about the work ... good or bad.

    a lot of figurative work isn't very good ( IMHO ) others are the best photographs i have ever seen.
    the not so good stuff is more about " hey look at me, look what i got my model to do, aren't i great "
    while the good stuff is from somewhere else. if someone isnt' able to say " ewww " to the bad ones
    how is the person who posted it ever going to grow as a photographer.
    I agree with you, harsh and unobstructed criticism is of paramount importance.
    Even if it's just an opinion (what the hell, of course it's gonna be an opinion, most things we say are opinions).
    Even if the artist gets offended because his ego can't handle it (which is very, very often the case).

    In the end, harsh criticism helps everyone in the long run.

    Unfortunately such criticism is rare in fora like here, where people are eponymous and interact with each other daily, and the social norms of friendly behaviour take over honest critique.
    But it is what it is.

    Anyway, what I totally disagree with is removing (=censoring) a photo, against the photographer's will, because someone "got offended".
    Getting offended is a personal matter than one should resolve himself, facing his inner demons and insecurities.
    Getting offended is a ridiculous reason to censor others.
    I can't force the Muslim girl walking next to me to take off her burqa because I "get offended".
    I can't stop the Christian lady in the tube murmuring a chant because I'm an atheist and "get offended".
    I can't force the gay couple next door from kissing in front of me, because I'm heterosexual and "get offended".
    Why should I be able to force someone to remove their artwork because I "get offended"?

    "Getting offended" is a buzzword to enable people to essentially censor what they don't like and limit the freedoms of others.

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