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    Quote Originally Posted by cliveh View Post
    I suppose it is up to individual perception, but when does artistic nude photography move into pornography, soft porn, hard porn, paedophilia, etc?
    To answer this question, you must:

    1) decide what your definition is of each different component of "pornography, soft porn, hard porn, paedophilia, etc?"; and then
    2) determine whether your "artistic nude photography" fits one or more of those definitions.

    The problem, of course, begins with the definitions. They tend to vary a bit.
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    Ansel Adams, from the introduction to The Negative - The New Ansel Adams Photography Series / Book 2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaf-Photo View Post
    I don't see that nudes are necessary in photography.

    If you are a painter or a sculpter then you have to do nude studies to learn the human form. But it's not necessary for photographers.
    Why must nudes be deemed to be necessary. Why do they need to be to be seen as "studies" to be valid. It's still important to understand the human body no matter what the medium, be it paint, stone or film.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cliveh View Post
    I suppose it is up to individual perception, but when does artistic nude photography move into pornography, soft porn, hard porn, paedophilia, etc?
    Paedophilia is a quite different issue and should be kept out of this particular discussion please, no-one here condones it and it needs to be rooted out like a cancer.

    We all have our own percepttions of what's artistic nude, or erotic nudes, and then soft & hard porn, As we don't allow porn here it's rather academic, hard porn is normally actual sex acts, soft porn explicitly sexual imagery but it's borderline BAiley and Newton shoot superb nudes erotic, slightly explicit but not pornographic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Grant View Post
    Paedophilia is a quite different issue and should be kept out of this particular discussion please, no-one here condones it and it needs to be rooted out like a cancer.

    We all have our own percepttions of what's artistic nude, or erotic nudes, and then soft & hard porn, As we don't allow porn here it's rather academic, hard porn is normally actual sex acts, soft porn explicitly sexual imagery but it's borderline BAiley and Newton shoot superb nudes erotic, slightly explicit but not pornographic.

    Ian
    I can think of one quite famous photographer, sometimes mentioned on this site as a great photographer, who I would suggest is in the area of paedophilia and as to the others you mention, where is line drawn?

    “The contemplation of things as they are, without error or confusion, without substitution or imposture, is in itself a nobler thing than a whole harvest of invention”

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    Quote Originally Posted by jovo View Post
    What bothers me about nudes is that they so often deny sexuality. In our culture, open nudity IS about sex unless one is taking a bath or a shower. So, what is there to be offended by? Seeing a (typically) young naked man or woman draped over a rock, or leaning against a tree is so patently false it's almost laughable. SHOW the arousal...give a REAL reason for posing without clothes instead of the uptight attitude that manufactures a silly excuse to bare it all. Or, just don't bother.
    I'm not sure what your point is. Are you having a hard time finding images of people who are sexually aroused, or nude images that are intended to be sexually arousing? Or you just want more of them on APUG?
    Nice work. You have a very talented computer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cliveh View Post
    I can think of one quite famous photographer, sometimes mentioned on this site as a great photographer, who I would suggest is in the area of paedophilia and as to the others you mention, where is line drawn?
    You should start a new thread about that.

    I have quite strong personal views about how Paedophiles have taken the innocence of happy family images of nude children to use for their own gratification, unfortunately the Internet disseminates it.

    We live in a sick world fueled mainly from a non European new world culture which is riddled with gun crime, drugs, paedophiles etc.

    It's a sad world where the images of my generation taken by our parents of us kids naked are deemed to be unacceptable, my sister and her now adult children think the same.

    The controversial cases in recent years have mostly been female photographers shooting naked young children who happen to feature in their documentary work, Sally Mann for instance.

    There's not a lot of common sense in this area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan Klein View Post
    Why are you offended when a privately created web site has its own editorial requirements for posting? Don't the owners of this site have the freedom to decide what they want to do with their site? Or do you want them to give up their rights and freedom and to comply with your viewpoints? What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. If you’re offended by their rights, then you don’t have to be here and can start your own site.
    You misunderstood me.
    I'm not "offended", I just disagree. And I deal with, on my own.
    I would never demand, or force the owners to make any change to my liking. That's absurd.
    I could say my opinion, but never impose it on someone else.

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    Photographing naked children is one thing and maybe construed as innocent, but when you also make them where lipstick and jewellery I can’t see this as artistic photography. Perhaps others can enlighten me?

    “The contemplation of things as they are, without error or confusion, without substitution or imposture, is in itself a nobler thing than a whole harvest of invention”

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    Quote Originally Posted by cliveh View Post
    I suppose it is up to individual perception, but when does artistic nude photography move into pornography, soft porn, hard porn, paedophilia, etc?
    Even the US Supreme Court has been unable to come up with a definitive concept. There appears to be a not too subtle shift in perception of pornography during the last decade or so. What one hears now is the exploitation of women and children. If the idea of pornography wasn't vague enough then the idea of exploitation is even more so. Truly dangerous ground.
    Last edited by Gerald C Koch; 05-26-2014 at 08:30 PM. Click to view previous post history.
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    Ian has asked you all to not talk about this in this thread.
    Please, consider starting your own thread about children.
    "There are a great many things I am in doubt about at the moment, and I should consider myself favoured if you would kindly enlighten me. Signed, Doubtful, off to Canada." (BJP 1914).

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