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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Grant View Post
    You should start a new thread about that.

    I have quite strong personal views about how Paedophiles have taken the innocence of happy family images of nude children to use for their own gratification, unfortunately the Internet disseminates it.

    We live in a sick world fueled mainly from a non European new world culture which is riddled with gun crime, drugs, paedophiles etc.

    It's a sad world where the images of my generation taken by our parents of us kids naked are deemed to be unacceptable, my sister and her now adult children think the same.

    The controversial cases in recent years have mostly been female photographers shooting naked young children who happen to feature in their documentary work, Sally Mann for instance.

    There's not a lot of common sense in this area.

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    I find it interesting as to how it always seems to be the other person's culture that is at the root of the problem.

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    Well, you all know my attitude to it by now. I have no problem with it in just about any form (pedophilic porn being the obvious exception). But getting back to the original subject, I think there is something essential about the nude in art: we NEED to have it because it serves to expose raw truths about us as humans - there's no hiding behind clothes or costumes. Literally stripped down to the absolute minimum, anything included in a nude must be there for a reason, either as a signifier or a distraction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Grant View Post
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    We live in a sick world fueled mainly from a non European new world culture which is riddled with gun crime, drugs, paedophiles etc..
    Wow!
    Kick his ass, Sea Bass!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ambaker View Post
    I find it interesting as to how it always seems to be the other person's culture that is at the root of the problem.
    Political correctness is the enemy of art, expression and creativity. It is usually also the enemy of thought and common sense. It has always been, and will always be that way. It relates to racial issues, class issues, gender and sexual issues etc., and in all cases leads to a substantial drop in quality of the discourse and obstruction of really useful or meaningful expression of experience, solutions etc. No sane artist, including photographers, should ever welcome or even just tolerate it. Respect is a totally different thing, and something well worth striving for, but not for those who have dis-earned it.

    It irks me when some people entitle themselves to the right to be offended on behalf of everyone else. They are welcome to be individually offended, and to exercise their individual choices, such as not clicking through on a link. In the case of children, it is a different topic, and not well suited to this discussion. Suffice it to say that as adults we have obligations to protect the weak and the young, against even unintended consequences. But we have to do so not sacrificing too much freedom of expression for too little protection, which is sadly what happened in the case of Ms Mann and others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jovo View Post
    What bothers me about nudes is that they so often deny sexuality. In our culture, open nudity IS about sex unless one is taking a bath or a shower.
    Is that so?

    Ever been to a nudist beach? Boring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Smith View Post
    A while ago I saw a comment on a photograph showing a pair of bare breasts - "not suitable for children". What are they for then?!!


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    Good one ! I think Hollywood has a lot influence on this. In every blockbuster from Hollywood you can see blood, killing, violence - but breasts are totally out of question. In European movies you have totally different approach - more natural

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    I was away all weekend, and missed what all the hoopla is about. I feel the need to toss my two pennies at this thread though, so here goes. If you do not like something, stop looking at it and do something else. If you feel the need to chime in, make it constructive and never denigrate or disparage another persons work, it is theirs, NOT YOURS. Personally, I stopped shooting nudes when I stopped shooting portraits, I do not like photographing people (I shot portraits for a living so leave me alone), I usually don't see where it serves any purpose, but occasionally someone here pops one in that is incredibly stunning (so very rare). I see the genre as tired and over done, most poses so awkward and just plain stale, that it's sad. However, the photographer shot what he saw, shared it with the community, and as such deserves to keep it displayed just like anyone else does. We do live in a warped society, where violence is embraced, and natural sexuality is frowned upon. Women cannot even feed their own babies discretely in public without being scorned and ridiculed for such a beautiful natural act.
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    I rather got the impression that this breast feeding in public is more easy today. The same for public nudity. So far for being natural. What drastically changed is the bodies themselves being made unnatural.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick A View Post
    If you do not like something, stop looking at it and do something else.
    +1 for all you wrote.

    This sentence that I quote reminds me at one crazy and funny TV show that I watched when I was living in Croatia. It was called "Nightmare TV show": Saturday from 11pm till 4am. Everybody could call and speak with guests (bunch of very unusual extravagant guests). Many calls were from people who were angry and upset with the show - calling them to say that they should stop, that they are crazy, should be put to jail ... it made show even more fun and grotesque!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AgX View Post
    I rather got the impression that this breast feeding in public is more easy today. The same for public nudity. So far for being natural. What drastically changed is the bodies themselves being made unnatural.
    Here in Europe yes, but in USA I don't think so.



 

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