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    Quote Originally Posted by Bromo33333 View Post
    So .... there was a cloth covered statue - and you couldn't see the statue ...?

    Was there a "R. Mutt" signature on the cloth somewhere ... ?
    or Christo?
    David Boyce

    When bankers get together for dinner, they discuss art. When artists get together for dinner, they discuss money. Oscar Wilde Blog fp4.blogspot.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrPablo View Post
    ... The definition of pornography need not be rigid...
    A lack of rigidity limits your options, though.

    (Sorry, couldn't resist it).

    Cheers,

    R.

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    Quote Originally Posted by livemoa View Post
    or Christo?
    Good one! Well done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aggie View Post
    Colonoscopy is where a camera should never be shoved!
    Oh, I don't know... We have an instance where one CRC (Creep With Camera - and it was a d***** camera, at that) caused an awful lot of suffering to an emerging model by publishing really explicit, crass images of her - taken in a "flurry" of activity - and hiding behind the signed Model Release. I think that it might be a very appropriate final destination for that camera.

    BTW Ed, why is it when someone wants to think of puritanical or fundamentalists Utah is brought up...
    I did not intend to characterize Utah as being especially Putitanical. It just happened to be where the legal action took place.
    As far as "Puritanism", I'll call and raise you a *bunch* betting that Ipswich, Mass. FAR exceeds Utah or any place else, for that trait.

    The strange part about all this is that the Puritans were actually NOT VERY PURE. I've been part of a group researching the history of this place - and we've been startled by a lot of the "Old Records". In the mid-1600's, there is a Court record of a woman suing her husband for "Denying Her Conjugal Rights"; there is testimony from another, during an Adultery trial, that, "I leaned out of my window, and told them to stop, but they wouldn't listen."

    I can only theorize that Nathaniel Hawthorne took great artistic license when he wrote "The Scarlet Letter", and that attitudes like that have shaped the brittle "morality" that we have here today.

    ] If Utah was against nudity, why are there so many large families?
    Kind of proves my point, doesn't it?

    There is one nude photo at BYU. It was taken on a survivaL class outing near Lake Powell back in the spring of 74. It is of a girl with very long blond hair sitting naked in a rain pool on top of a plateau. She is turned away from the camera, but the back shot is a classic Lady Godiva type image. Well you know what, I didn't see that damn photographer after I had hiked for hours to find a seculuded spot to take a bath. I have the distinction of being the only nude shown at BYU. There now take that for being stuffy and puritan like.
    I would NEVER take you for being "stuffy" OR "Puritanical", Aggie.

    I'll bet that was one truly beautiful photograph!!!
    Carpe erratum!!

    Ed Sukach, FFP.

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    I am conflicted by Aggies statement about where a camera should never be put. One reason for this is it conflicts with the advice I have given a couple of digital photographers..a second reason is who is Aggie to tell someone that a camera and axle grease should never be used for recreation?
    Claire (Ms Anne Thrope is in the darkroom)

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBrunner View Post
    the term "pornography", is subjective, and really doesn't mean anything specific. Something that has artistic value and relevance, can't be pornographic, by my way of thinking. It could be sexually graphic, obviously not approprate for children, or those with immature concepts regarding the human body(see above) But not porn. Thats my subjective opinion.
    Well said, and agreed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmr View Post
    Erotic art captures the intimacy of certain human experiences. Porn (the way I define the term) does not. I think the hang-up is in defining what porn is, and I would say that if it has true artistic merit, it is not porn.
    . . . a damned good defintion, worthy of of memorizing, IMHO

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    Quote Originally Posted by juan View Post
    I've found that lots of folks equate nudity with pornography.
    juan

    Ha! Juan I have an even better one: I've found that some people even equate bell pepper photos with pornography!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew B. View Post
    Bondage is definately porn. ...
    Hey Drew, what about this .. here you have bondage and piercing!

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...rugino_049.jpg

    (no wars, please ... mildly given as tongue-in-cheek!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by kb244 View Post
    Without having read thru this thread, I'm gona say that porn is penitration either by self or other.
    "Penetration by self"? Wow. I think I once told my boss to do that, right before I quit.

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