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    Quote Originally Posted by blansky View Post
    've always been fascinated with the time/age problem as well. I look at a naked beautiful 25 year old woman and lust after her. I'd ravage her in a heartbeat. Would I feel the same way if I saw the same woman and she was 60. Same woman. Different illusion. What if she was 18? Yeah I jump her. 16? Hmmm..
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    Personally I see no problem with lust w/o love, largely because 'love' is so incredibly amorphous as to defy definition. Despite the occasional sign that there really is a G*d, I usually look at everything through the lens of evolution and see most of these moral conflicts as reflecting the behavior of primates that evolved living in small bands now living in large societies. We don't worry about these sorts of things in social groups smaller than the Dunbar number — it's only in groups large enough to afford anonymity (media like TV and the 'net can add this to even the tiniest hamlet these days) where people start worrying about effects like 'lust without love.'

    I see a lot of correlation between 'porn' and 'art' and other aspects of culture: we can play football or hockey without actually going to war to defend our tribe. We can run on the elliptical machine and enjoy it without actually being pursued by a predator (not counting the predations of Father Time). We can enjoy the sweetness of a Tiramisu without really needing to eat, because we've already got plenty. And yes we can enjoy a host of lustful stimuli without having to actually create children, provide long-term care for their other parent, and all the other associations one can cite as 'love.' The Primate of Rome may not approve but I find it not particularly harmful or surprising.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bromo33333 View Post
    The other thing you said sounded like a dirty old man .. this sounds more like a mentor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bromo33333 View Post
    That's very different. The other thing you said sounded like a dirty old man .. this sounds more like a mentor.
    Which merely demonstrates the scope for misunderstanding on the internet, as compared with face-to-face. If you know the person in question, you know what you can say, and in what language: again, this is both culturally specific and specific to the person/situation. I had known both these girls for years, and their parents for a decade in one case and three decades in the other. One is now a research scientist at Pfizer, while the other is currently trying to choose which of the Hautes Ecoles to attend. These are the French equivalent of the Ivy League, but with more guarantee of success when you leave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bjorke View Post
    [...] We can run on the elliptical machine and enjoy it without actually being pursued by a predator (not counting the predations of Father Time). [...]
    Brings us t the quote:

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    However, Roger, I would counsel against any such comments, for your own sake. At 14 anyone over 20 might as well have false teeth, a bald head, stoop and deaf aid. The effect on the girl is I have to say (I remember one or two similar comments) most likely to be puke-inducing (using their sort of parlance), and the most harm is likely to be done to your pride (probably in your absence).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stargazer View Post
    However, Roger, I would counsel against any such comments, for your own sake. At 14 anyone over 20 might as well have false teeth, a bald head, stoop and deaf aid. The effect on the girl is I have to say (I remember one or two similar comments) most likely to be puke-inducing (using their sort of parlance), and the most harm is likely to be done to your pride (probably in your absence).

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    I realized I was an adult when at 30, I was in a store, and a kid pointed at me and said (all I overheard was) "...No, no mommy, that old guy over there!"

    At that point I figured I was of the "never trust anyone over 30" crowd, and Recalled the cheesy "Logan's Run"
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    Getting back to what this thread was about, and the book that the owner of this thread has sited and posted a link to.... At the end of all these lofty debates who are we to tell the author of the said book what to name it? Also at the end of all this discussion is not the subject no matter what it is debated to be in the artistic realm still pornography?

    Another twist, since religion has been brought into this, do all of you respect the cultures of other countries you travel to? Would you be so outspoken about all of this in a muslim country? there are many many groups, relgions, and such that have differring views. Do we have the right to tell a Muslim how to live their religion? In the end of all of this is it not respect for others beliefs, and culture?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salmonoid View Post
    ... some obvious and universal facts ...

    1. All sex is pleasurable. (heterosexual, homosexual, monosexual, s&m)
    Consensual sex is usually pleasurable.

    Forcible sex, sex under duress, coercion, violence, is not. It can be scary and traumatic!

    As sexual beings, we also develop likes and dislikes. We like things certain ways, and we don't like things certain ways. Some sex acts for some people are not pleasurable, but uncomfortable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stargazer View Post
    However, Roger, I would counsel against any such comments, for your own sake. At 14 anyone over 20 might as well have false teeth, a bald head, stoop and deaf aid. The effect on the girl is I have to say (I remember one or two similar comments) most likely to be puke-inducing (using their sort of parlance), and the most harm is likely to be done to your pride (probably in your absence).

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    Dear Cate,

    Probably true. Both comments are years in the past. But both girls are some way from 'average': I suspect that their reaction was nearer, "Poor old fellow, but he means well."

    Cheers,

    R.

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    I would like to nominate Hicks and Blansky as Pontiff candidates for Apug.
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