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    Mark, the problem is not that he had an opinion. The problem was just that he is trying to present them as fact. I don't see any reason to debates opinion; I find it important to debate the truth of facts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mhv View Post
    Mark, the problem is not that he had an opinion. The problem was just that he is trying to present them as fact. I don't see any reason to debates opinion; I find it important to debate the truth of facts.
    Then both sides show the concrete studies that support each claim. I'm with Mark on this one. I don't agree with either side that have posted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mhv View Post
    I don't see any reason to debates opinion; I find it important to debate the truth of facts.
    I'm not sure what "facts" are.

    As for debate, it is an exchange of opinions for the purpose of an exchange of ideas or concensus.

    Since we all come from differing backgrounds, debate enables a healthy exchange of ideas. At one time differing ideas led to wars and deaths.

    However when someone starts spouting rhetoric because the bible told him so or because Jesus came to him in a dream or it's church policy, all he has to do is back up his arguments like we all do.

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    Salmonoid "A direct quote from my original post. "It is a well established fact that all sexaul preditors are users of pornography first." There is a link between sexual preditors and pornography use. There is a link between pornography production and pornography use/addiction. (I am sure you will argue this point as well, but why?)"

    Why should we. It's a no-brainer that all sexual predators more than enjoy hard-core porn of their deplorable choice. But you can't reverse that and assume that those who look at casual or artistic porn are in training to become sexual predators. If you DO insist on such a stand: All persons of the 'cloth' who are sexual predators read the Bible with great intensity - so the Bible and, maybe, the myopic confines of RELIGION did it.

    Salmonoid "From these studies it would also logical to deduce that there are responders on topic who are also sexual preditors. Statistically this is very probable. I think many of you doth protest too much."

    Cute, Your Holiness, but a wild-ass-guess that must include you and your fellow Annointed in with us depraved Stone-Throwers.

    Now can we get back to what was a really interesting discussion about Art, for God's Sake?
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    Quote Originally Posted by blansky View Post
    I'm not sure what "facts" are.
    Then let's just call them "claims to truth" for the sake of clarity...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aggie View Post
    Then both sides show the concrete studies that support each claim. I'm with Mark on this one. I don't agree with either side that have posted.
    I can see you skipped-past the various links in my previous posts

    I'm increasingly convinced, however, that 'porn art' is a sales slogan, used to drum up the market for what is ultimately pretentious and dull 'erotica.'

    One assumes a grand party was had all 'round at the studio while making it, I guess.

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    Ahem... (not to be confused with "amen")... can I change the subject?... I mean, get back to the subject? Has anybody here ever heard of Jock Sturges?

    [Note: This is my second attempt to kick-start the original thread ... and yes, excuse my hypocrisy 'cause I'm among those who participated in putting it off track .. but will someone pleeeease throw-in their opinion of Sturges? ]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher Nisperos View Post
    Ahem... (not to be confused with "amen")... can I change the subject?... I mean, get back to the subject? Has anybody here ever heard of Jock Sturges?
    He does terrific environmental portraiture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher Nisperos View Post
    Ahem... (not to be confused with "amen")... can I change the subject?... I mean, get back to the subject? Has anybody here ever heard of Jock Sturges?

    [Note: This is my second attempt to kick-start the original thread ... and yes, excuse my hypocrisy 'cause I'm among those who participated in putting it off track .. but will someone pleeeease throw-in their opinion of Sturges? ]
    Great photographer of pubescent girls -- but his best pictures are often the ones where they have their clothes on, rather than off. If we're going to have a 'porn divide' I'd put Hamilton fractionally on the porn side and Sturges fractionally on the not-porn side. Quite honestly, though, I'd hesitate to call that a ringing condemnation of Hamilton or a ringing endorsement of Sturgess.

    At photokina on one of the book stands there was a photographically illustrated version of The Story Of O. Almost certainly porn, but beautifully executed: lush, one might say. Why didn't I buy it? Was it because it didn't turn me on or because it didn't tell me much about photography? Who cares? I didn't buy it. I wish every happiness to those who did.

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    Ok.. I see that so far Jock Sturges isn't exactly considered close enough to porn to create a discussion. So now, ladies and gentlemen, to put a little fun into the subject, here's a little quiz:

    http://film.guardian.co.uk/quiz/ques...196044,00.html



 

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