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    [QUOTE=Claire Senft;394553]I am going to suppose that the preceding post was meant is humor.[QUOTE]

    Not really. I'm kind of serious about that believe.

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    WRT to all this deist-ness:

    Now I know that sometimes people have hot buttons that prevent any further listening. I expect I have them too, BUT:

    Richard Dawkins was on C-SPAN a few days ago and the video is interesting particularly because he was lecturing at a university right next to Jerry Falwell's "Liberty University" in Lynchburg, Virginia. And so the faithful lined themselves up ready to challenge or otherwise trip-up Dawkins's various assertions during the long Q&A session. They asked the lion's share of questions, by my count. They tried, and imo (and that of the applauding audience) failed...

    One of the questions raised was the one Kirk mentioned about the apparent collision between 'Free Will' and the twin pincers of God's Omniscience versus a deterministic, tinkertoy universe (both of which seem to restrict any 'real' 'free will'). (In fact the requirement that the universe be 100% deterministic is in itself telelogical and probably therefore false -- why should the universe be required to be deterministic if god-free? Those are unaligned issues. There are plenty of random elements to existence, from the quantum level on up -- so 'free will' seems trivially explained as our sense and explanation for our ability to respond to randomness in a structured way without actually defying entropy)

    Another key issue, and entirely germane to this discussion, is: what constitutes ethical behavior, why would be people be moral without the threat of a deity's punishing hand? Across the world, among many religions and cultures, why are people, overall,... nice?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bjorke View Post
    Another key issue, and entirely germane to this discussion, is: what constitutes ethical behavior, why would be people be moral without the threat of a deity's punishing hand? Across the world, among many religions and cultures, why are people, overall,... nice?
    Because of self interest, self defense, and self preservation. Also partly because of the human (humane) composite makeup of need for acceptance, love and friendship.

    In my opinion, religions are "nice", only because the human (humane) element overrides the religion and reigns in the impulses to destroy those they dislike.


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    Shhhhh Michael, you weren't supposed to give away the answer

    (On a related note, why is it that few people (Taliban notwithstanding) bother to scrupulously follow the Bible's counsel to stone witches and adulterers etc? Could it be because people feel that they have some more "humane" inclination? Are they positioning themselves and their choices as more moral than the God who ordered them to kill? (Or to keep it tenuously connected to the thread, perhaps ordered them to marry a 12-year-old as their second or fourth wife?)

    (And lest people feel I'm picking merely on ol' Yahweh, who at this point should be old enough to take care of himself, there are plenty of similar conflicted-ethics problems in most other supernatural belief systems)

    Here's an On-Topic Bit:

    Is "Artistic Pornography" the same as "Pornographic Art"? (Are they both simply absurdities?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by bjorke View Post
    Is "Artistic Pornography" the same as "Pornographic Art"? (Are they both simply absurdities?)
    The former has a naked woman sitting eating chicken, the latter the woman is sitting with the chicken eating her.

    Sorry about that. It's just what came to mind.

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    Mike, Getting eaten by a chicken is just another type of pecker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Claire Senft View Post
    Mike, Getting eaten by a chicken is just another type of pecker.
    But what if it were only a chicken with the intent to eat? Would it be then a peckerwould?

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    Is this a test?
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    And what if they were from KFC? Could you call them chicken? Would that make the photograph socio-political with a touch of surrealism? What if the woman was eating the chicken that was eating a worm? Or what if the Giant Chicken devouring the woman had a fight with Godzilla in another photograph of the series?
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    Well Mr. Keyes, perhaps you can make a list of religions that are worthy of ridicule. Perhaps a second list of religions worthy of respect should be posted.

    Can you imagine how nice APUG will be when we start being more offensive and hurtful?

    Just the thought of it is enough to promote analog photography.
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