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    Quote Originally Posted by TheFlyingCamera View Post
    To try and separate out the various reasons why we are drawn to nudes into logical categories, as if we could somehow quantify and logically analyze it is a fool's task. There is an instinctual component, a sexual component, an emotional component and an aesthetic component. All of them swirl together in an ever-changing stew that has a different recipe for each person. That stew is what makes sure that the qualitative response in you is different than that in me than that in Heather.
    I have to agree with Scott on this one. I shoot pretty much nothing but female nudes these days and don't try to explain why other than it's a serious passion for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by haris View Post
    Animals never try to extinct other complete species...
    Actually, they do, though it may not be intentional. To them, it's just lunch, and the hawk has no way of knowing if the passenger pigeon it just devoured was the last one or not.
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    I'd like to know how it is that as soon as a woman gets her tits out, photographic voyeurism is somehow coverted into art. Is it not true that the word art is used as a metaphor for voyeurism or erotic. So what exactly is "Fine Art" about photographing nudes? If this offends you, then console yourself in the knowledge that I'm too stupid to understand. Did I say console? Perhaps I meant delude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob champagne View Post
    I'd like to know how it is that as soon as a woman gets her tits out, photographic voyeurism is somehow coverted into art. Is it not true that the word art is used as a metaphor for voyeurism or erotic. So what exactly is "Fine Art" about photographing nudes? If this offends you, then console yourself in the knowledge that I'm too stupid to understand. Did I say console? Perhaps I meant delude.
    Just because you have one view does not make it the right one and everyone else must be deluded and needs to be told so in such an aggressive manner.

    To answer your question: no, it is not true that "the word art is used as a metaphor for voyeurism or erotic". Thousands of years of artistic endeavour from the fertility figures of pre-history to today's paintings, sculptures and photographs argue against that proposition.

    I was pulling Art's leg above but the point is valid: there are a multitude of reasons, as others have also said, for a particular image and indeed voyeurism can be one of them, but it is not the only one.

    Honi soit qui mal y pense...

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob champagne View Post
    I'd like to know how it is that as soon as a woman gets her tits out, photographic voyeurism is somehow coverted into art. Is it not true that the word art is used as a metaphor for voyeurism or erotic. So what exactly is "Fine Art" about photographing nudes? If this offends you, then console yourself in the knowledge that I'm too stupid to understand. Did I say console? Perhaps I meant delude.
    You seem to be unable to intellectually distinguish between the sexual and the aesthetic. Actually, and perhaps more tellingly, you insist upon placing equally negative moral judgments upon both, when neither requires moral judgment. I would question the emotional honesty and/or the sexual orientation of anyone who did not have SOME erotic response to a nude of the opposite gender.

    A well-executed nude that uses light, posing and composition to provoke an aesthetic response that moves beyond the sexual is Fine Art. A pornographic image uses light, posing and composition to ensure that the only response is sexual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob F. View Post

    Honi soit qui mal y pense...

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    Nudity and politics
    make awkward
    subjects online.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob F. View Post
    Honi soit qui mal y pense...
    Bob,

    I'd mistake you for a Quebecois lumberjack. :o

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolleiflexible View Post
    Nudity and politics
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    Great drama! Time for the APUG reality show ...

    Regards, Art.
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    I never understood why nudity is a big deal with you people.
    Its a human being.
    Without clothes.
    What's wrong with that?
    And what's strange about a human being attracting the gaze of another?
    What I find strange is to get a boner with a car or a video game, not with a nude fellow human.
    ...its how shrinks make easy money...

    And Rob, you need to chill man.
    You seem awfully aggressive and confrontational lately.
    I hope life's good to you.
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    Real photographs, created in camera, 100% organic,
    no digital additives and shit




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