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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Smith View Post
    Actually, that's how I usually think of street photography.


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    If a photographer is afraid of "pissing people off", they should pursue another branch of photography they are more comfortable with, street shooting isn't for the timid, you have to be thick skinned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by benjiboy View Post
    If a photographer is afraid of "pissing people off", they should pursue another branch of photography they are more comfortable with.
    It wasn't the "pissing people off" bit I was commenting on (I don't mind doing that). It was just having photographs of people I didn't know. It doesn't bother me if other people want to do that though.


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    Depends on what you mean by 'street photography'' if it is simply taking photos of people in the streets going about their normal business then that, to me, is a waste of time and film, but I do a lot of photography at street events and street theatre,I always ask first, and show my camera, and never have a problem, and get some great studies that way, there are times when I am out and about, and I see some one with an ''interesting'' face and I always ask and very rarely get refused these days, I think it may be the cameras I use, people don't seem to feel threatened by an old folder or Rollei, or a small old rangefinder, where when I used to use big SLR's people seemed to shy away from them, but I find that they think it's fun to be photographed by something that looks to them, as if it has come out of the ark, I always get asked for a print, and always make certain that they get a copy, although it can take a while, but I make certain that they know it may be a while. I also think that sometimes people are bothered by the perception that digital photographs are so easily altered, and that they can be made a fool of, where with old cameras they some how trust the results, as I said, it is a perception, but whatever, for me using old cute cameras,( their idea not mine) means the photographs will somehow look better than modern cameras,
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    Quote Originally Posted by R.Gould View Post
    Depends on what you mean by 'street photography'' if it is simply taking photos of people in the streets going about their normal business then that, to me, is a waste of time and film, but I do a lot of photography at street events and street theatre,I always ask first, and show my camera, and never have a problem, and get some great studies that way, there are times when I am out and about, and I see some one with an ''interesting'' face and I always ask and very rarely get refused these days, I think it may be the cameras I use, people don't seem to feel threatened by an old folder or Rollei, or a small old rangefinder, where when I used to use big SLR's people seemed to shy away from them, but I find that they think it's fun to be photographed by something that looks to them, as if it has come out of the ark, I always get asked for a print, and always make certain that they get a copy, although it can take a while, but I make certain that they know it may be a while. I also think that sometimes people are bothered by the perception that digital photographs are so easily altered, and that they can be made a fool of, where with old cameras they some how trust the results, as I said, it is a perception, but whatever, for me using old cute cameras,( their idea not mine) means the photographs will somehow look better than modern cameras,
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    Richard, does Joe public really think like this? If you point a lens at them from whatever camera, I doubt if they are evaluating it’s OK with an old camera, but not with digital.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cliveh View Post
    Richard, does Joe public really think like this? If you point a lens at them from whatever camera, I doubt if they are evaluating it’s OK with an old camera, but not with digital.
    Not my experience; it's more limited but seems to agree with Joe's. I see people avoiding those with DSLRs, ignoring but not asking to be photographed with my 35mm SLRs, and approaching me to ask about and sometimes asked to be photographed with my TLR. My Mamiya 645 looks more like some kind of big digital and is similarly viewed a bit askance. Setting up the 4x5 often attracts people but I don't typically carry it down the street so I can't say about that for "street" but getting a Graphic with working rangefinder that I can shoot handheld is on the "someday I'll do that" list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cliveh View Post
    Richard, does Joe public really think like this? If you point a lens at them from whatever camera, I doubt if they are evaluating it’s OK with an old camera, but not with digital.
    Clive,
    as I said I do not do a lot street photography in the sense of photographing people going about getting on with their lives, but my experiance at street events both over here and in France is the same, I have seen people turning away from the digi look SLR's etc but happily letting me take their photographs with my old folders and tlrs, it has happened time and again, and more often than not we end up talking about the cameras I am using, memories come from them about, in some cases, the cameras they used when they were younger, sometimes their fathers or grandfathers using this or that camera,even when, on the od occasion, I have approached people in the street, I would always have my cameras on view, and they nearly always say yes, then want to know about the cameras, how old they are etc, I personally think their is some sort of old world charm about these cameras,Remember I always do people the courtesy of asking people first and making sure they see the camera, and a rollei or a folder just look old, antique, and as often been said to me over the years, safe somehow, you have to take your time,not just fire off and then stare at the display to see if you have got something, I can't tell you why, but I have only experianced this since my love affair with 50+ year old cameras, all that I use now.
    When I used so called Modern cameras such as the AF Slr's and my Bronica etr, I more often than not would get a firm no or people trying to avoid looking at the lens, these days it is just the oppisite, maybe these cameras just look so totally different to those that most people use today, something from a more relaxed and happier past, I don't know, all I know is that here and where I go in France there seems little resistence to the charms of ''oldworld'' cameras.

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    Richard, as I have only ever shot street photography with old cameras, I have never been able to compare the experience of old and new you speak of and therefore accept what you say. I was just surprised that the general public are that perceptive about what to us is a specialised knowledge.

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    They generally don't know much about it. But a DSLR, a P&S digital, and to some extent 35mm SLRs and P&S cameras all look like cameras to them. Most older designs, TLRs, press cameras, medium format rangefinders etc. look either old or, if clearly pretty new, at least quite odd to them. Medium format cameras with grips, eye level finders, motors etc. (my 645 Pro has all three) can easily be confused for modern medium format digital - they might not know the words but they have an idea of "digital pro camera" - or even digital video cameras.

    Cameras that look old, whether they are or not, seem to get a nicer welcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Cole View Post
    They generally don't know much about it. But a DSLR, a P&S digital, and to some extent 35mm SLRs and P&S cameras all look like cameras to them. Most older designs, TLRs, press cameras, medium format rangefinders etc. look either old or, if clearly pretty new, at least quite odd to them. Medium format cameras with grips, eye level finders, motors etc. (my 645 Pro has all three) can easily be confused for modern medium format digital - they might not know the words but they have an idea of "digital pro camera" - or even digital video cameras.

    Cameras that look old, whether they are or not, seem to get a nicer welcome.
    Roger, that is my point in a nutshell, the average man or woman in the street, without the knowledge that we as photographers have, seeing the folders, old fixed lens cameras or Tlrs, that I, and many others use, see is a nice old camera, very often one of the first thing someone will say to me is what a lovely old camera, It is very rare for me to go out with a camera without someone wanting to talk about ''that lovely old camera'' they are not seen as a threat, and you are not seen as a threat, as someone with a '' modern'' SLr camera,
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    Quote Originally Posted by cliveh View Post
    Richard, does Joe public really think like this? If you point a lens at them from whatever camera, I doubt if they are evaluating it’s OK with an old camera, but not with digital.
    At the state fair last year I was using a 4x5 Pacemaker Crown Graphic for walkaround people photographs. Not a single compaint. Rather, it was difficult to achieve anything other than wide smiles and/or friendly waves of the hand. Almost impossible to get anything unposed.

    At one point while walking along I had a young lady actually grab my arm from behind to stop me. Her request? Could she use her DSLR to image me pretending to photograph her friend using the Crown. THAT was an unexpected twist. Of course I said yes and dutifully posed. That Crown was a better ice-breaker than anything used by the US Coast Guard.

    Old (or old looking) cameras make a huge difference. It's an ancient antique, so you can't possibly be a threat.

    Ken
    "They are the proof that something was there and no longer is. Like a stain. And the stillness of them is boggling. You can turn away but when you come back they’ll still be there looking at you."

    — Diane Arbus, March 15, 1971, in response to a request for a brief statement about photographs



 

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