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    often times in the smaller newspapers the reporters
    are the ones taking the photographs for their stories.
    it isn't uncommon for the papers to get rid of the photography staff
    and give the p/s camera to the writer, after all s/he knows what sort
    of photographs / images can best illustrate what s/he is writing.

    often times, like with anything in the arts, visual media &C it isn't necessarily
    the education you have from a school but your portfolio. there is no accreditation
    for freelance photographers in any of the areas - commercial / advertising, portraiture, or editorial work or ..
    it's all what the person has in their book / portfolio. this isn't really something new ...
    i worked with a portrait photographer for about a year after graduating from a college ... this was in the 1980s and she was trained in the great depression.
    when we talked about education &C, she kind of laughed, and took me to "the wall of portraits"
    and said something like " see these, this is what people care about, not what school you went to " ...

    i am not really sure how alternative music magazines hire and use their staff,
    but i am guessing there are a lot of people wearing a few different hats,
    and the more skills someone has ( writing, schmoozing, and a good eye )
    which include " new media " like DV &C ... the better off someone will be.

    even in the world of commercial photography ..
    clients want the disk burned and handed to them before the set
    is even torn down ( sometimes ) and other times they want
    the whole thing shot in DV for web content, and still images cherry picked
    from the stream. i don't see news media being much different ...
    might as well be on top of the heap with experience in everything ..

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    In this world of iReporters, where CNN posts "courtesy of youtube" videos on national cable television it is a new world for sure. There are still journalists but the job, like many others, has evolved. That doesn't sound like the topic at hand for your daughter but if she has to do another essay on it, the evolution of photojournalism could be quite an interesting topic.
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    My suggestion is to call a local news paper or two and explain to the receptionist what you are looking for. Often times business will do anything they can to help students looking for information. Perhaps, if you call a small news paper, you may even get to talk to the chief or staff photographers directly.

    In addition to that and concerning their wages, a sensitive subject, you can go to US department of labor website and search.

    FOR EXAMPLE....
    There is a link to Bureau of Labor Statistics. From there, there is a link to "Occupational Outlook Handbook"
    You can search of "photographer"
    There is everything you asked for in there

    Oh, what the heck... here's a direct link:
    http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos264.htm#earnings

    While this information may not be specific to journalism, little further work will get you there

    Your assignment has more to do with just writing about the subject - that is, a skill to look for information yourself is part of your assignment. This will get you there if you spend an hour or two looking.
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    I work for a midsize daily. I would say to anyone to follow their passion, but with one proviso to your daughter:

    Do not expect to work for a newspaper. They are (mostly) run by capricious, money-grubbing short-sighted accountants who have ruined the long-term viability of the business. There is nothing but cutbacks ahead for newspapers...don't waste your time. Sorry to sound like a downer, but no enterprise with decades of plodding, behind the curve, poor decision making can expect much better.

    However, that said there is no rule that says newspapers have a monopoly on the production and distribution of photojournalism. There are plenty of people and organizations getting it done. Photojournalism is telling stories -- there are a hundred different ways to tell a story...nowadays, it's more up to you to make that decision.

    Film making, exhibitions, self published books, photographic collectives, freelancing to media outlets...the list goes on.

    Two examples of this are some collectives newly started in Canada...Boreal Collective and Rogue Collective. Google them (Boreal is on Facebook too) as well as a great example of a guy making his own way in photojournalism, Louie Palu. He's newly back from Afghanistan, where he's spent a few years with troops. He's had covers of Newsweek, spreads in national newspapers, exhibitions, looking to do his own film from footage gathered in the field, etc etc.

    Money wise, well...you won't get rich. By any means. Never say never, but it's something you have a passion for. I can also echo the suggestions to contact working professionals in the field in your area.
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    Yeah, the real dough can be in a stock photograph business on the side.
    Thank you.
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    DAUGHTER:
    I truly appreciate all of these! You all have really good ideas and I'm extremely grateful for all your replies. I'm sure I will definitely find some good things with the ASMP. Again, thank you for all of your help!
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    I have tried repeatedly to advise, guide and direct her in her interest but it is not easy to get a child to listen. She is a passionate child that spends a lot of time on fan sites writing stories. When she expressed an interest in photography I gave her a film camera to learn on and showed her how she could combine her passion for writing and photography. When she came to me about this project and I found out when it was due I explained that this should have been an easy assignment if she really was passionate about photography. What I told her was that your focus is directed by your interest. She should have already had the information at hand because of her interest. I appreciate all of the responses that we have gotten in such a short period of time and fear not, all names will be changed to protect cognizant
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    Get a reasonable degree (4 year) in the process of being a photographer. Make sure she picks up some business classes. Then follow her heart, and be the best she can be. (korny,,, but everyone I've met that was doing well in their work was really passionate and focused). Whether it was IT security, networking, AV...

    When she discovers that a small number of photgraphers, (and chef's for that matter) actually make a reasonable income, she can add to the academics and move into a new field. What percentage of 40 year olds are actually doing what they were trained to do int he first place? Not a big percentage.

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    Try the National Press Photographers Association and the Society of Professional Journalist as well as the American Society of Media Photographers

    I am a double major in art and journalism and the photography editor for my student newspaper. It is a lot of work but also a lot of fun. The others are right on working for a newspaper. I think working for a magazine would be more satisfying. One may be able to still use film in some magazines but for newspapers its unfortunately out of the question.

    Make sure that you take some journalism classes and not just photography
    classes. They will help a lot with understanding news and make you more employable.


    http://www.nppa.org/ , http://www.spj.org/

    Also here is a great book: http://www.amazon.com/Photojournalis...tt_at_ep_dpi_1

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    I would contact a local newspaper and arrange an interview.

    Education required is a whopping ZERO. In fact, many wire services will prefer you to have no education, as they can mold you their own way.

    You get the job by knowing somebody, and you keep it by being reliable. Being good is helpful, but not necessary.

    You don't make much in the grand scheme of things, but it can be a living if you get in with the right employer and stick with them permanently. Finding permanent employment/benefits is the tough part. Getting work as a stringer (sans benefits) is more likely, especially nowadays.

    Every photojournalist I have talked (a lot) to says that if you are going to go to school, definitely do not study photography. It is a useless degree. Knowing about computer networking and other technology is far more important, they say. They also say LEARN VIDEO. Stills are on their way out, multimedia is on the way in, and the more you can do, the better.

    Your desired job is far different than an all-around photojournalist for a wire service or proper newspaper, however. Shooting music pix for a free rag simply will not earn you a living. It can be fun, but I would not go so far as to call it a career. I would use something more general for your topic. You will have more to write about, and it actually can be considered a realistic career choice, IMHO.

    Good luck!

    BTW, you will need to shoot digital. Film is of no use to a working photojournalist or his/her editors...but just because you shoot digital does not mean that you need to think or work any less hard than when shooting film. Don't fall into the rut of letting the fact that you are shooting digital drastically change the way you shoot.
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