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    Quote Originally Posted by markbarendt View Post
    John,

    I'm doing weddings on film and what I have found is that I make more money per hour.

    I made the decision that my job is to shoot and keep the shot count much lower then you suggest, <250; I'm truly after just keepers, then the lab does the rest.

    I get paid nicely for my time there, the client pays all processing costs on top of my fee, $50 per roll including proofs and scans.

    Simple quick and done.
    I have decided to do just that. Forget all the 5000 proof and digi files junk. I'm going to shoot 5-10 rolls, and call it done.

    I have decided to shoot all the formal stuff on 120, and the reception in 135.
    I'll offer prints of the formals and digi the 35mm...

    It seems the best route.
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    One thing to keep in mind with switching from film to "D" is your back end. Right now you shoot a wedding, throw film in a box and bring (ship?) it out out to your lab. Then you sit down, drink a beer, watch TV, and a few days later you get your images back. Throw some proofs online from the CD so the family can place orders and start sorting proofs and arranging an album.

    With "D" you are your own lab in most cases. Shoot a wedding, unload some cards, make backups of those cards, make backups of the backups, import them all into Photoshop/Lightroom/NX/CameraRAW or what have you, edit, adjust, fix, etc, etc. Then either pull your hair out for two days making prints on an expensive inkjet, or send them to a lab for printing. Also, post proofs online for the family to order from and arrange and album. Maybe sneak in a beer while the cards unload.

    You can't forget the backend expense (computer, software, upgrades, drives, etc). Not to mention the time, expect to double your time behind the scenes from what you spent at the wedding. If you figure what your time is worth, that can be a lot of expense. Time you could be out shooting something and making money behind a camera not in front of a monitor playing photo lab.

    I guess the question to ask is are you saving money by doing more of the work yourself. The answer to that is probably yes. But is it worth it.

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    that is all great, if you have a lab near you that can process your work
    i am up here in rhodeisland where there used to be 3 or 4 pro labs for the whole state,
    and now maybe there is one prolab left that still processes film ...

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    I actually send mine 900 miles away to Richard Photo Lab in So. Cal. I have built priority mail cost into the $50/roll processing.

    The clients are told from the start that it's going to take several weeks. I'm getting no push back at all.

    I'm also finding that it's not hard to sell the clients on staying under 250 shots vs 2500 shots. I help them understand how many shots they will really use and how many their freinds will actually be willing to sit through. I also suggest that if they want 1000's that video is probably a better choice than still photos.

    Quote Originally Posted by jnanian View Post
    that is all great, if you have a lab near you that can process your work
    i am up here in rhodeisland where there used to be 3 or 4 pro labs for the whole state,
    and now maybe there is one prolab left that still processes film ...

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    Yes, Yes, Yes!

    A friend and I have been arguing this point over and over. He states that most people already HAVE a computer and printer and stuff, and I said that most people that don't know the first thing about editing or printing have an e-machine from the Wal-mart and a portable Canon printer. He just couldn't get it through his head that if someone went into business, they would think they NEED a new computer (which they probably do), and a new printer (which they do).

    I DO NOT want to sit in front of a computer for 60 hours touching up this and making that pretty. The only thing I do with my computer is increase the contrast on some prints/neg scans if they are not where I want them to be. I can find someone to do all that for me, and bill the customer for it. Then, I have much more time to go SHOOT! That's what I really want to do.
    I have no problem sending stuff to Richards Photo Lab, and the downloading the digital scans. The youngers can facebook the crap out of it, and I'll still have pretty negs I can print.
    - J. Richard
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    John,

    I would like to see you succeed in this business model. Please keep us informed.

    Best of luck!

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    Same here John, I am looking forward to hearing more. And Mark, that is great to hear, I am very impressed that you are succeeding by doing something different than the masses.

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    Thanks for your words of wisdom. I am still planning my gear setup. I have decided I don't like rangefinders. There is just something about them that is weird. That thought is weird, because I like my Yashika-Mat... and it has a leaf shutter. But even it has a more positive feel than the rangefinder when I mash the button. So, I am thinking that I will shoot with just that, or, if I decide to get the Bronica, that. And, I think I will shoot the 135 stuff with my trusty K-1000, why not. After all, I don't need all that fancy stuff, I like simple. It has a PC socket, and hot shoe. The standard 50mm lens is fine for reception work, and I'm use to it. I am going to crash some weddings, because I can, to see what the competition is using. I'm sure they shoot digital, but it will be neat to see if they think about the lighting or if they just bought a Nikon sunpak (whatever) just because it was expensive.

    I am also having a hard time deciding weather to use a single light weight strobe on a stand, or not. I posted about strobes in the lighting section if any of you want to chime in.
    - J. Richard
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    I once was out shooting a castle ruin with my Tachihara camera. A girl came up to me, and was interested what I was doing. I showed her the camera and explained a bit. After a look through the camera, she said: I would hire you for my wedding if I had one...

    I have never pursued this option yet, but I seriously think you could make real money shooting just 10-20 LF formal photos on a wedding, taking into account all other positive responses I have had to using that camera out in the field.

    And even if you would shoot anything else (non-formal on rolls of 35mm or 100's of digital shots), these photos would get lost in the barrage of all other digital photos taken by family, friends etc... By the time you have your photos ready, the wedding couple will be numbed (and that's from some experience I heard from a female photographer doing that kind of work).

    In the end, tell me, who is really interested in seeing the 100th photo of a distant cousin eating a steak at your wedding party???

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnRichard View Post
    I DO NOT want to sit in front of a computer for 60 hours touching up this and making that pretty. The only thing I do with my computer is increase the contrast on some prints/neg scans if they are not where I want them to be. I can find someone to do all that for me, and bill the customer for it. Then, I have much more time to go SHOOT! That's what I really want to do.
    I have no problem sending stuff to Richards Photo Lab, and the downloading the digital scans. The youngers can facebook the crap out of it, and I'll still have pretty negs I can print.
    The people at Richard Photo Lab are great and they really can do the whole thing for you. Try your proofs printed on 5x5 paper with 1/4 or 1/2 inch minimum borders.
    Mark Barendt, Ignacio, CO

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