Yes it all went wrong at the first wedding and he's doing a stretch in Lebenworth. Well he can't say we didn't warn him
Originally Posted by guitstik
Why not? The OP isn't the only person on earth who might want and benefit from the information.
Originally Posted by Ryuji
Or maybe he could be highly successful working with 50 couples/year ... that he does not have time to waste here. (well, that's not likely but you know)
So, 50 couples a year means all but two weekends of one year of your life are spent stressing out over wedding photography; or, you are double-booked on a Saturday, running on fumes and risking a bad performance due to exhaustion, and then your whole Sunday is spent in recovery.
Originally Posted by Ryuji
It's not being negative to point out the fatal flaws in that business model. I'd rather go out and make $2000 in four hours shooting Santa portraits, walk away and be completely finished with it than "make" $3500 to shoot a nine hour wedding (which, believe me, is the high end of average wedding $$$), with 20 hours of post-production and $900 cost of sales.
I did weddings for at least 15 years, and they are THE highest stress, lowest margin jobs a photographer can have. I'm glad I don't have to fool with them any more, unless you are one of my good friends and are flying me down to Mexico for a week in February. Then we can talk.
Two bodies hanging off the body with rubber lenses, one body wearing a 24-70 , and another body wearing 70-200. Shooting with both. That's how we did it downtown in the day.
That's just, like, my opinion, man...
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In some sense I agree with you, if you booked 50 couples your fee is too low. But in my case half of my clients are Jewish people and Sunday weddings are very common. Some people do Friday wedding, particularly in this economy, too.
Originally Posted by ParkerSmithPhoto
$3500 sounds about right. I know people who charge 6000 and still get fully booked. I actually donít mind shooting wedding much but I just donít want to be known to shoot wedding... Iíd rather shoot commercial assignments.
Itís not being negative to point out the fatal flaws in that business model. I'd rather go out and make $2000 in four hours shooting Santa portraits, walk away and be completely finished with it than "make" $3500 to shoot a nine hour wedding (which, believe me, is the high end of average wedding $$$), with 20 hours of post-production and $900 cost of sales.
What always worried me when I used to do weddings was due to the law of averages, and how many you could do without having your first disaster, I was fortunate for about five years and managed to quit while I was ahead, but still sometimes have nightmares about it.
I have done my fair share of wedding photography with a Canon EF system, digital and film.
I usually bring an assistant if I know it's going to be big. Carry spares and back-ups of EVERYTHING. Be seasoned, know how to pose people. It really is for pros. You're going to get bridezillas and people no matter how well you pose them and how dead-nuts accurate the exposure is, they will haul you off to court.
One lens you will want, and they do date back to the FL mount, is the 85mm f1.4, if you can spring for a newer rig, 85 f1.2L. IF you are shooting an EOS system these are readily available from any lens rental site.
5x7 Eastman-Kodak kit, under the knife for a bit
4x5 Graphic View / Schneider 180 / Ektar 127
RB67 Pro S / 50 4.5 / 90 3.8 / 180 4.5 / WLF / prism finder / polaback
Random 35mm stuff
I shoot the occasional wedding but I really prefer to shoot as a second doing the art shots. I have a couple friends that call me from time to time for the art part because they know I tend to see in those terms.
Thy heart -- thy heart! -- I wake and sigh,
And sleep to dream till day
Of the truth that gold can never buy
Of the bawbles that it may.
Yes, get the longest lens you can afford. 500mm at least. And then put a 2x teleconverter on it. You want to be as far away as possible from bridezilla and her mom.
Originally Posted by Arjuna