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    Could you post an image that you like? Then we might be able to say how to get close with normal film and printing techniques.
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    Thanks keith, but I guess what I'm looking for is specifically how to get a positive from a thin negative, and not necessarily any kind of "look". You could call it the ambrotype look maybe, but it'd be impossible to achieve on paper owing to the fundamental difference in the nature of either kind of image. Just like how you can only experience a daguerreotype in person..

    update: a few historic examples -> http://brightbytes.com/collection/ambrotypes.html

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    Oh, well why not give platinum and/or palladium printing a try with your thin neg(s). The tone differentiation might suit your negs better than silver. Yep, silver is a b*tch with thin negs.... doable but not pleasant. Some people just automatically throw in the towel and hit it with selenium as best they can and/or go hybrid or get an LVT made. But try Pt/Pd, it may amaze you.
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    I see what you're saying keith, but I can't even afford silver nitrate let alone platinum!

    But I'm not necessarily tyring to salvage a thin negative, but rather to purposefully get an ambrotype-type positive.

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    Well you can get platinesque effects from ziatype which is way less expensive, and it might work better for thin negs too, but I don't know offhand.
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    have you made a mat box lit from the front ?
    you would mount the underexposed film in like a frame
    and look at it against a black background cross lit.
    the film would be mounted whatever the sweet-spot distance
    is to make you view it as a positive.
    i have often thought of how to make my current film look like tintypes
    and i haven't been able to come up with a solution other than what i just wrote
    ... unless of course you want to re-coat black photo paper with liquid emulsion
    ( or over exposed "black" film )
    and then use ferri or some sort of bleach ( or ? ) to brighten what will become your whites ..
    its a lot of work but who knows ...

    if i come up with anything i'll let you know
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    Thanks John,

    Ok, so does the bleach just serve to reduce the density, or does it have an effect on the "lightness" of the metallic silver? I'm guessing the former, and in which case, it'd be a pretty easy experiment to do with some Farmer's reducer.

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    hi holmburgers

    well, in the case of the gelatin tin types i have been told it both brightens and lightens the image
    (because they have less luminosity ( duller? ) ) so my uneducated guess is that MAYBE it will do the same thing

    i plan on trying something like this tomorrow ... i have some ancient liquid light, and some way-fogged paper that i can just
    develop in room light ... i will try to post my results in this thread too

    bon chance !
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    Wow john, that's awesome! Really psyched to see what you get, and you've demonstrated just how easily it could be done. Developed up paper should be perfect..
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    hi holmburgers

    i am sad to report back that my experiments were a bust
    i blackened the paper, and coated them with emulsion ..
    and while my emulsion was still "good" i wasn't able to coax
    an image onto the black paper .. i made photograms though, but
    still i don't think that outside daylight in a camera would have made much of a difference.
    i will try that next since i have a few sheets of coated paper left ..

    - john

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