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    ilford agitation vs kodak agitation for tri-x

    Hello,

    according to Kodak, tri-x must sit in d-76 stock for 6:45 at 20 C, while inverting a small tank 4 times every 30 seconds.

    According to Ilford, id-11 (= d-76) stock for 7:30 at 20C, while inverting a small tank 4 times every minute.

    Which process is best for which results?

    Thanks.

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    Dear pierods,

    It doesn't really matter. The film contrast is increased as time, temperature and agitation are increased. If you are consistent with your agitation and temperature, you will quickly be able to adjust your time once you start printing. If you are consistently forced to go above a number 3 filter then you need to add time. If you are consistently forced to go below a number 2 filter, subtract time. There are quite a few good books that will give you a far better explanation. Usually you can find what you need at a used book store, but there are several good ones still in print.

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    Kodak is agitating me a lot more than Ilford at the moment. Just saying.
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    It's not that critical as long as you're consistent. The dev timeand film speed (EI) ideally need to be to be determined by doing film speed/development testing or at the very least be fine tuned to give you optimum negative contrast and density for your printing. There's other variable like meter calibration, shutter speeds and precision of thermometers etc that may come into play.

    Kodak & Ilford don't give times for identical contrast etc they use different ways of determing the gamma/contrast index that's why their recommendations differ.

    Personally I do 2 inverasion agitation cycles every 30 seconds for the first 2 minutes then every minute after that.

    Ian
    Last edited by Ian Grant; 02-16-2012 at 10:33 AM. Click to view previous post history. Reason: spelling

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    Since Kodak is an American company they recommend agitation on the right side, while Ilford being a British company thinks that proper agitation is done on the left side. Americans find the Ilford method is just agitating

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    I am getting agitated....

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    I develop tri x in d76 using the ilford method/times for stock great negatives, tried the kodak method and couldn't see any difference between the two.
    Richard

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    More time with less agitation = less time with more agitation
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Noel View Post
    More time with less agitation = less time with more agitation
    But will favor the appearance of grain. Just as the temperature and time
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    Maybe it isn't a very significant difference?

    If you consider the extremes...

    advocates of the stand development technique might leave a film undisturbed for hours or even overnight. In dish development or in a processor the film is in motion continuously. If you consider that to be a range of nearly zero to 100% agitated - then 4 inversions every 30s or 4 inversions every minute are both pretty close together somewhere near the middle of the scale.
    Steve

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