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    Film Developer for prints

    I've read several posts suggesting that D-76 can make a fine print developer. I have quite a bit of it mixed that I do not think I will use on film before it becomes unusable, so I was considering trying it as a print developer. This is the same for some Ilfotec-HC I have mixed.

    Can someone give me some starting points for using one or both of these film developers as print developers? i.e. dilutions and times?

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    D-76 does not make a good print developer. Print developers are far more active than film developers. Your development time for prints in this developer would be exceedingly long.
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    I have seen wonderful work done with Rodinal as print developer. Don't ask me how it was done, but the prints were fantastic!

    Why not just try it out next time you have a printing session? You likely have to use it fairly concentrated.
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    Other than activity the objection for using film developers such Rodinal or HC-110 for making prints is the additional cost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas Bertilsson View Post

    Why not just try it out next time you have a printing session? You likely have to use it fairly concentrated.

    This is what I shall do ... adding a tablespoon or so of washing soda per some other posts I read.

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    Rodinal was sold as a print developer as well as a negative developer at one time but as Gerald points out it wouldn't be very economic. Actually Agfa recommended it as such from the start but you'd need to use a dilution like 1:15 to 1:20, or for more contrast 1:8 (1+7).

    D76 has too high a sulphite level to be a practical paper developer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas Bertilsson View Post
    I have seen wonderful work done with Rodinal as print developer. Don't ask me how it was done, but the prints were fantastic!
    Rodinal was originally a film and print developer.

    EDIT: Just as Ian pointed out. One day I might read all the posts in a thread before answering!


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    Quote Originally Posted by pstake View Post
    I've read several posts suggesting that D-76 can make a fine print developer. I have quite a bit of it mixed that I do not think I will use on film before it becomes unusable, so I was considering trying it as a print developer. This is the same for some Ilfotec-HC I have mixed.

    Can someone give me some starting points for using one or both of these film developers as print developers? i.e. dilutions and times?
    If you store D-76 / ID-11 (same thing!) in airtight bottles, filled to the top with any air squeezed out, it'll keep fine. Don't use accordion bottles as they're useless. If you use plastic drink bottles, de-label them and keep them away from children etc.

    Cheers,
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    testing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevs View Post
    If you store D-76 / ID-11 (same thing!) in airtight bottles, filled to the top with any air squeezed out, it'll keep fine. Don't use accordion bottles as they're useless. If you use plastic drink bottles, de-label them and keep them away from children etc.

    Cheers,
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    Thanks, Kevin ... I store in Brown Glass bottles and they are all filled to the top. Hopefully the Ilfotec will keep, too ... that stuff is expensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevs View Post
    Don't use accordion bottles as they're useless.
    I've used accordion bottles for six years now, and don't consider them useless. But I don't use them for long term storage. However, they are very good for shorter term storage, say a couple of months, if you use it for stock solution for replenished film- and paper-developers.
    Say I mix a 5 l kit of Xtol, I put two liters in an accordion bottle, and the rest in 1 l glass amber jars. When the Xtol stock is about half empty in the accordion bottle, I fill it up with one of the liter bottles, and continue indefinitely. I do the same with replenished Ethol LPD, and never had a single problem with failing developer.

    I'm just saying that they do have a purpose, and are therefore not useless. I agree they are not suited for long term storage.

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