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    Polly-Vous Francais? Megaltra Lumiere Photographic Paper

    Any one have any data on this old French paper?
    What were it's properties?
    How was it different from the other papers sold by Lumiere?
    (eg Lumitra, Elysee, Lumibrom....)

    What and when was the fate of that company and when "fate" happen?

    What do these French terms mean in relation to photographic papers?
    mince excl.
    cart. excl.

    (cart. = cartoline ???) but
    Cartoline = ???

    Thanks

    Ray
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    Parlez-vous français ? Yes I can ;)

    Hello Ray,

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Rogers View Post
    Any one have any data on this old French paper?
    What were it's properties?
    How was it different from the other papers sold by Lumiere?
    (eg Lumitra, Elysee, Lumibrom....)
    Not informed enough about these old papers to help you, sorry !

    What and when was the fate of that company and when "fate" happen?
    To resume what I read Lumiere was taken over by Cegy, in 50' (Yes, THE CIBA-Cegy of Cibachrome) and later become Ilford France, in 1982.
    Here is a link (in English !, outstanding site, BTW) on Lumiere history : http://www.autochromes.culture.fr/index.php?id=137&L=1

    What do these French terms mean in relation to photographic papers?
    mince excl.
    mince = thin, but "excl." is rather obscure, what is context ?

    cart. excl.

    (cart. = cartoline ???) but
    Cartoline = ???
    I am rather embarassed to give a good definition in English : I believe it's sort a small thin cardboard, or rigid paper, like "Bristol" paper (I don't even know if this term applied to paper is understood in US/UK !)
    So the support for this paper is somewhat rigid.

    Regards,


    Raphael
    P.S : "Polly-vous" for "Parlez-vous" is funny, indeed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raphael View Post
    I believe it's sort a small thin cardboard, or rigid paper, like "Bristol" paper (I don't even know if this term applied to paper is understood in US/UK !)
    Bristol card (or paper) is an un-coated card which took it's name from Bristol in the UK where it was originally made - So yes, it is understood here!


    Steve.

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    Hi Steve,

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Smith View Post
    Bristol card (or paper) is an un-coated card which took it's name from Bristol in the UK where it was originally made - So yes, it is understood here!


    Steve.

    Thanks for the clarification, Steve ! Of course, I think about Bristol in UK, but cannot be sure if it was that kind of idiomatic expression, where a same thing is called with two antagonist expression this side of the Channel or the other ! One of my prefered, is "filer a l'anglaise" which in English is translated : "to take the French leave"

    Of course, I wouldn't talk about the French town of Condom...

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    Hey Ray! Nice to see you, it's been a while.
    Sorry for my long silence, I've had stuff going on and some health issues to sort out also.
    Hope you're doing well.
    Will e-mail soon.

    Best,
    Lionel.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Rogers View Post
    Any one have any data on this old French paper?
    What were it's properties?
    How was it different from the other papers sold by Lumiere?
    (eg Lumitra, Elysee, Lumibrom....)

    What and when was the fate of that company and when "fate" happen?

    What do these French terms mean in relation to photographic papers?
    mince excl.
    cart. excl.

    (cart. = cartoline ???) but
    Cartoline = ???

    Thanks

    Ray

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    I have no answers, but maybe the fellow who wrote this article, http://unblinkingeye.com/Articles/An.../antiquep.html might have a clue? Somewhere in the back of my head, I think he might have posted on here in the past.
    “Do your work, then step back. The only path to serenity.” - Lao Tzu

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raphael View Post
    Hello Ray,

    Not informed enough about these old papers to help you, sorry !
    mince = thin, but "excl." is rather obscure, what is context ?

    P.S : "Polly-vous" for "Parlez-vous" is funny, indeed
    Raphael、
    I kept thinking of the relationship between Pirates and birds and our saying "Poly wanna cracker"....
    I think the "excl." means exclusively as in that is the only form it is made and sold in.
    (But that might might be my English language wired brain speaking....)

    What I hope we can find is someone who has a guide book for French paper, or has some old ads or instruction sheets handy.


    Ray
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raphael View Post
    Of course, I wouldn't talk about the French town of Condom...
    Really? There is such a town? Is it related to... the obvious?
    If so they can be very proud of their namesake's contribution to the history of medical photgraphy!
    Be free of all deception, Be safe from bodily harm
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lionel1972 View Post
    Hey Ray! Nice to see you, it's been a while.
    Sorry for my long silence, I've had stuff going on and some health issues to sort out also.
    Hope you're doing well.
    Will e-mail soon.

    Best,
    Lionel.
    Lionel, it is so nice to hear from you again.
    I too have been down for a while... I am not actually "back" yet; maybe by this Fall...

    looking forward to that email...

    Ray
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    Jerevan,

    Yes, thanks for reminding me - I do not recall him posting here but I probably still have his email. the last time I was looking at his work he had moved. Good suggestion.

    I wonder if anyone near the French equivalent of GEH... forgot their FRENCH name... (isn't eaiser to forget words & names in a foreign language than in one's native tounge?!)... knows someone there who can take questions on French Photographic issues, in English?

    While we are on the topic, lets see if I can learn the name of that French institution...

    What was it's name?

    (Please Say it more SLOWLY)
    Be free of all deception, Be safe from bodily harm
    Love without exception, Be a saint in any form
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