I have an older Ilford Rapid Fixer bottle which has a label added on top of the main label. The main label says 1 + 3, whereas the label on top (which appears to have been added by Ilford) says 1 + 4.
Originally Posted by tkamiya
“Photography is a complex and fluid medium, and its many factors are not applied in simple sequence. Rather, the process may be likened to the art of the juggler in keeping many balls in the air at one time!”
Ansel Adams, from the introduction to The Negative - The New Ansel Adams Photography Series / Book 2
Originally Posted by MattKing
We don't know what this means. They may have changed recommendation, notation or whatever.
Matt, that is strange re Ilford fixes, I am seeing it too:
Exhibit 1 Hypam, brand new, outside label:
Exhibit 2.1 Rapid Fix, brand new, outside label:
Exhibit 2.2 Rapid Fix, brand new, inside label:
Exhibit 3.1 Rapid Fix, 12 years old, outside label:
Exhibit 3.2 Rapid Fix, 12 years old, inside label:
I am now totally convinced! Mooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, too!
It has been fun!
At least with LF landscape, a bad day of photography can still be a good day of exercise.
The HYPAM and RAPID thing......its a mis-print and it seems to have been perpetuated for as long as I remember........
1+3 Works aok 1+4 Works aok ( and is cheaper ) guess which one you should use.
I was always taught as x to part x I think its clearer.
In my youth I used to mix up the AGFA Colour chemistry ( powders ) for the gravity tanks on a friday afternoon, in a big wheeled chemical mixer, when I was taught to do it the guy who taught me said make a mound in the middle to 'about' 6 inches high and then fill it to 'about' 6 inches from the top....seemed to work!
Simon. ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology Limited:
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Thanks Simon! Mystery solved.
So OP, I think no one is confused, manufactures write clear, it seems that dwross hit the nail on the head in stating that we all write different and what convention we use is our prerogative but I think the onus is on us to be clear, just like what PE and Troop did on the Liquidol container I posted above. If someone wants to write a formula 1:3 but it really means 1+4, he/she should explain what he/she means and vice versa. Being part of a community means to live in their conventions, saying 1:2 or 1+2, means something to 99% of us DR mixing folks, in other communities, say a crime lab in Surinam, 1:1 might mean something different, but that community knows its convention.....
So, to conclude, the problem isn't the notation we each use in our own darkrooms, but instead the problem is when trying to communicate intent to other photographers. As has been said by several of us, the use of a '+' is unambiguous, while the use of the ':' is ambiguous since even companies don't use the same notation for their products. Kodak, in particular, is notorious for using the ':'.
For how long this is gonna continue? I hope this kind of discussion/debates will not make to go back to di...l side, there are enough debates to handle, so i hope film debates will not make me even more regretting to come to this side as well.
Good i started to dilute with '+' notation and not with ':', people here confusing us by debating themselves to each other and we are newbie watching who can win or who is right, each one of you trying to make his statement as a fact or correct, so i am as a new film shooter and English is not language and i am not alchemist or don't know about chemistry, what i should expect to find in this thread?
You're probably better off just ignoring it as most manufacturers use the + notation anyway.
Originally Posted by TareqPhoto
"People who say things won't work are a dime a dozen. People who figure out how to make things work are worth a fortune" - Dave Rat.
Simon did indicate this is a missprint, Note it says "ILFORD PAPER FIXER" on the inside label. I product that I have never seen offered for sale. I always use 1:4 as it is cheaper and as Simon says seems to work. (200ML concentrate to make a liter of fixer for those that have learned about ratios from other than the Kodak Booklets.)
Originally Posted by zsas
I still live just beyond the fringe in Stittsville