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    get rid of the developers you are presently using
    process your film in caffenol c
    with 10cc print developer / L caffenol. stand develop
    it will do what you want ..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Athiril View Post
    I guess I'd like dark blacks with long contrast up to the midtones, midtones up high near highlights, so that the midtones (skin) is very whitish/bright.
    I see two things going on here.

    1-Placement. Since the film is already exposured, the only choice left here is in printing.

    2-Preference for mid to low tone detail.

    Given #2 and the lack of importance of the highlights, I'm going to say Xtol, normal time.

    I'd actually adjust the contrast rate with the paper grade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerald C Koch View Post
    When faced with low contrast situations the rule is to underexpose and overdevelop. Just how much depends on the subject contrast. This is when a spot meter is useful. Since overdevelopment increases density the exposure must be reduced to compensate. Reading a book about the zone system especially expansion and contraction of the luminance scale would be very helpful.
    I see this "rule" a lot on APUG. The rule to underexpose and overdevelop is incorrect. The proper procedure for expansion is to expose normally or increase exposure. The negative is then printed down if deep blacks are desired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by markbarendt View Post
    I see two things going on here.

    1-Placement. Since the film is already exposured, the only choice left here is in printing.

    2-Preference for mid to low tone detail.

    Given #2 and the lack of importance of the highlights, I'm going to say Xtol, normal time.

    I'd actually adjust the contrast rate with the paper grade.
    I'm with Mark, Xtol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael R 1974 View Post
    I see this "rule" a lot on APUG. The rule to underexpose and overdevelop is incorrect. The proper procedure for expansion is to expose normally or increase exposure. The negative is then printed down if deep blacks are desired.
    I agree. One should never underexpose. Expose for the shadows, develop for the highlights. That adage is just as true today as it's ever been.

    Whatever paper you'll print on has a much shorter scale than any film. I'm always trying to compress the scale in the negative, not expand it. Successful printing involves the art of matching the contrast of the negative to that of the paper.
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    The second photo in the book "The Print" - Ansel Adams, list out some common factors for the 'soot and chalk' quality of landscapes...
    OM-1n: Do I need to own a Leica?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jnanian View Post
    get rid of the developers you are presently using
    process your film in caffenol c
    with 10cc print developer / L caffenol. stand develop
    it will do what you want ..
    Links to examples?

    Quote Originally Posted by baachitraka View Post
    The second photo in the book "The Print" - Ansel Adams, list out some common factors for the 'soot and chalk' quality of landscapes...

    I'll have a look.

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    ilford is right!
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    Increased times by 20-25%?

    I'm really keen to see this coffee+print developer stand business, just to see what it looks like.

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    Please do not carry away by those fancy 'stand' business. You already have very good developers(viz., XTol) for HP5+. Develop according to manufacturer recommendation and print it. Then you really know where to tweak, what to tweak...

    Overcast lighting is a bliss for photography, just incident meter the shadows then you will never go wrong.
    OM-1n: Do I need to own a Leica?
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