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    HARMAN technology Limited...our little surprise.....

    If you look in the Silver Gelatin thread you will see a link to a new web page....

    www.ilfordphoto/gelatin/silvergelatin.asp

    HARMAN technology for the last couple of months have been including ultra high quality stickers in all rolls and packets of our Fibre Base products, these are packaged in a foil pack.

    This initiative is to help educate buyers of photographic images to understand what is meant by Silver Gelatin, and especially people who make and sell images printed on our FB products to be able to identify these as high quality silver gelatin prints by attaching the stamp. As the weblink is on the stamp buyers can understand what a silver gelatin print is and why it is important and value added.

    A press release will be released in the next couple of weeks or so giving a fuller explanation, I will post it on APUG of course...

    As they will be in every pack and every size it will take some time for them to move through the supply chain, so when you do get a shiny foil pack in your ILFORD paper box you know what it is!.

    We hope this adds to your offering if you are selling genuine 'silver gelatin' prints made on ILFORD FB paper.

    These stamps will continue to be added to all packs of ILFORD FB paper, it not a 'special' and of course they are free of charge and no price change to any FB product has been made.

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    Excellent... but are RC prints not silver gelatin too?


    Steve.

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    Great initiative, Simon!
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    Great idea!

    The correct link is http://www.ilfordphoto.com/gelatin/silvergelatin.asp.

    Does this imply that Ilford does not believe that RC papers have the archival permanence required to qualify?

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    More importantly, collectors who are interested specifically in silver gelatin prints don't believe that RC prints have the archival permanence required to qualify. If the goal is to strengthen the position of silver gelatin in the fine art market with respect to inkjet, then it's probably best not to confuse the issue by treating RC as equivalent to FB.
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    I've just found 18 stickers in a box of 50 sheets of MGIV FB. I think you are slightly over estimating my ability to make the final print

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    Dear Andrew: Thanks for the correct link, I am truly analog!

    As to the RC v FB....well, David gives a very good answer.

    We have had many debates on RC v VB on APUG, but technically, in terms of true archival permanence FB is more stable due to the base characteristics, the emulsions are equally stable. But the fact is that RC is incredibly stable as well.

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    Simon,

    Can you possibly make those stamps available to those of us who bought a large (to me) stock of paper and still working on the existing inventory?

    Also, in years to come, and certainly within the time frame these fine FB prints are expected to last, the Internet will become thing of the past. Having a web URL for full explanation will become meaningless then. It would be nice if you could make a small brochure of some kind and make them available with explanation of Silver Gelatin prints. I always thought putting URL on something is like the "fax back" of the past.... of course none of these fax back stuff are available now. (for those who has never seen a fax back... it was a service in 70s and 80s where a consumer can get a printed something get immediately by dialing a fax number from a fax machine) I will be willing to pay for a reasonable amount for a pack of brochures if such things were available.
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    Develop, stop, fix.... wait.... where's my film?

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    As an RC user I find myself feeling a little confused and/or short changed on this one.
    Collectors may or may not have a preference for FB products but the selling point of many of our products to Joe Public is usually that the print uses traditional silver-gelatine technology rather than any implied longevity. Unfortunately, this seems to be labelling RC as the poor relation of FB, however stable RC is upheld to be by the manufacturers.

    I'd have welcomed something like this that could be applicable for both FB and RC users but now feel somewhat left out in the cold!

    Steve

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    I had a quick look at the archival processing sequence (http://www.ilfordphoto.com/gelatin/s...inprinters.asp) and the steps for selenium toning go: fix, tone, hypo-clear, wash.

    I'm not an expert, but I've seen everywhere (i.e. Kodak and Tim Rudman) the need to do at least a first wash before toning, in order to avoid uneven toning.

    Might be worth a wee correction?
    Using film since before it was hip.


    "One of the most singular characters of the hyposulphites, is the property their solutions possess of dissolving muriate of silver and retaining it in considerable quantity in permanent solution" — Sir John Frederick William Herschel, "On the Hyposulphurous Acid and its Compounds." The Edinburgh Philosophical Journal, Vol. 1 (8 Jan. 1819): 8-29. p. 11

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