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    Liver of Sulphur

    I would like to make some polysulfide toner but the main ingredient “Liver of Sulphur” appears to be imposable to obtain in solid form here in the UK now. Does anyone know where to get solid liver of sulphur in the UK or has anyone made polysulfide toners using the liver of sulphur gels that are available if so how much are you using. I know Photographers Formulary sell a polysulfide toner, and I will probably order some when I do my next bulk order to them, but shipping to the UK is expensive. I also know that Moersch sienna toner is a polysulfide toner but again it is very expensive. I also here that sodium polysulfide can be used in place of liver of sulphur, has any one tried this? And does it work.
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    Have you tried a company called 'Speedybrews' based in Surrey (I think). It is a small independent company making all sorts of specialist developers both colour and B&W. Just Google the name.

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    I have just done it for you. They do list some of the things they say can supply but they no longer supply chemicals direct to the public but give an E mail address where you can get them

    sales@silverprint.co.uk

    Good luck
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    On this side of the pond I bought some online from Dick Blick art supplies. It's also used for putting a patina on brass. If you have no joy with photochemistry suppliers, you may want to check an artist supply house.

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    'Liver of sulphur' = potassium sulphide. Try Rose Chemicals: http://www.rose-chemicals.co.uk

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMbikerider View Post
    Have you tried a company called 'Speedybrews'
    I have looked at the Speedybrews site and have never seen Liver of Sulphur listed. Also as you point out they do not supply direct to the public. As for Silverprint I have never seen liver of sulphur, potassium polysulphide or potassium sulphide listed on their site. I have also asked in store for potassium sulphide before and been told they do not stock it.

    kevs, thanks for your reply. I did not realize liver of sulphur was potassium sulphide I thought it was a more messy mixture of chemicals. I'm sure I have googled potassium sulphide before and not turned up anything useful anyway I googled again and turned up these two sites, as well as rose chemicals, http://www.thrivechem.com/01-kilogra...rg-15844-p.asp and http://www.suttontools.co.uk/consuma...hide-100g.html. I will give thrivechem a try at £8.01 for 100g, enough for 13 liters, that will get me started.
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    you might want to try your local custom silversmith/jeweler. I use liver of sulphur on occasion when doing silverwork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Man View Post
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    kevs, thanks for your reply. I did not realize liver of sulphur was potassium sulphide I thought it was a more messy mixture of chemicals. I'm sure I have googled potassium sulphide before and not turned up anything useful anyway I googled again and turned up these two sites, as well as rose chemicals, http://www.thrivechem.com/01-kilogra...rg-15844-p.asp and http://www.suttontools.co.uk/consuma...hide-100g.html. I will give thrivechem a try at £8.01 for 100g, enough for 13 liters, that will get me started.
    Hi Mr Man,

    Just to clarify, my info came from a 1961 Dictionary of Photography (Iliffe Books, London; A.L.M. Sowerby, (ed.)); I just looked up 'Liver of Sulphur' - which says ' see Potassium Sulphide'. The entry says it's a substance of variable composition, but mainly potassium trisulphide, and potassium thiosulphate. Wikipedia says liver of sulphur is a variable mixture of "a poorly defined mixture of potassium sulfide, potassium polysulfide, potassium thiosulfate, and probably potassium bisulfide."

    Anyway, I hope your toner goes well. :-)

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    Liver of sulfur is not a pure compound but is a mixture of potassium sulfide, potassium polysulfides, and potassium thiosulfate. It is flammable and there may be hazmat restrictions on its shipping. It is also unstable and spoils in about six months. Is the Moersch toner the only one available in the UK? There are toning formulas based on sodium polysulfide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerald C Koch View Post
    Liver of sulfur is not a pure compound but is a mixture of potassium sulfide, potassium polysulfides, and potassium thiosulfate.
    This is what I thought and the only place I can find that sells it is Photographers' Formulary however they will not ship it outside of the US. The Moersch toner is the only toner that I can be sure is a polysulfide toner. There are a couple of other toners available. Silverprint stock a Fomatoner Sepia which is described as a sulphide based toner however when you look at the safty data sheet on the website the active ingredient appears to be thiourea. Tetenal have a sulphide toner however I cannot find any further information on the Tetenal website and suspect that this is a sodium sulphide rather than polysulphide based toner.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gerald C Koch View Post
    There are toning formulas based on sodium polysulfide.
    Gerald do you have any of these formula? Or can I just substitute sodium polysulfide in the formula I already have? (Tim Rudman Master Photographer's Toning Book P40) Are the results the same? Although sodium polysulfide is as difficult to obtain as liver of sulfur I understand it is relatively easy to produce by dissolving sulfur in hot sodium hydroxide to produce a sodium polysulfide solution.
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