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    HC 110 Reverse Engineering

    I have contacted with a University Analytical Chemistry Lab to get an quote for revealing the HC 110 Formula.

    My question is , how a lab identify only Kodak manufactured rare chemical ? Do labs get a update every year for every chemical ever manufactured in US ? Or the spectrum archive is specific to most known chemicals ?

    This is an big modern university lab with doping unit also and I am not sure whether they would succeed or not ?

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    What do you advise ?

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    An apparently close approximation to the formula, or the actual formula, is in the patent shown in the Film Developing Cookbook.

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    I know it but Patent is dated 1971 and nobody is agree on the correctness. In time some people claim some chemical inside of the mix and than replaced. People agree , todays formula is not the old one , if I followed the Forum correctly in 6 years , everything changed since 70s. If there is a way for lab to succeed , I prefer university report to heated fight.

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    Of course I will prepare a dossier with the all known or claimed facts. This will work great.

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    I wonder if Kodak will continue to make chemistry, or farm it out to Eastman Chemical when they collapse.
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    Or continue to farm it out to Champion which they have been doing for some time already? I believe Champion is one of the major debt holders Kodak owes money to now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mustafa Umut Sarac View Post
    Of course I will prepare a dossier with the all known or claimed facts. This will work great.
    This may be great for informational and educational purposes, but let's get real: there are good chances that HC-110 contains compounds that only Kodak/Champion has access to or makes. In other words, buying HC-110 might be the cheapest way of obtaining those compounds. It might not be worth spending big money on finding out that this is indeed the case.
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    I wonder if the other problem might be not knowing what is in the formula, but how to correctly mix it or in what order to make a successful formulation. Much like baking, if you blend baking soda in with the butter and wonder why your cookies don't work out, it is not just what is in HC-110, but how to correctly make it.
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    This has already been done. Over on the Dye Transfer forum there's a fellow in Australia named Andy
    Cross who precisely reverse engineered it, but he has access to true research lab facilities. It's a highly difficult product to duplicate, involving hazardous precursors. You can't do it in a home lab. Apparently Kodak no longer offers liquid developers in Australia due to hazmat shipping issues, so he
    made himself a lifetime supply in a single batch. The concentrate allegedly keeps for decades. HC110
    is still readily available here, so I don't know why anyone would even bother attempting to duplicate
    it here, though I notice Freestyle claims to have an actual substitute.

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    There are no proprietary chemicals in HC110 AFAIK. The secret is in the method of manufacture in which TEA is treated with SO2 gas to get a mix of a base and Sulfite. This makes the syrup water free for good stability. It is a tricky process for the individual that can cause an explosion if not done correctly.

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