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    Quote Originally Posted by litody View Post
    correct, there are other speed increasing developers. But very few as fast as microphen but I haven't used them all.
    DDX for 18 mins using 1+4 @ 20deg C shot at 1600 will work well and give finer grain than Microphen. But if its pure speed you want then Microphen is the developer of choice IMO. It really comes down to making a choice between speed or grain or what the lighting level dictates and if the lighting level really dictates a required speed of 3200 or 6400 then microphen is the best choice for a normal contrast negative. T-Max or XTol will give finer grain but you won't achieve 3200 speed with them. i.e. with most other developers you will lose shadow detail unless you expose at slower speeds which isn't what the OP asked for.

    I hear time and time again people quoting ilfords ISO 1000 figure for D3200. But people just don't seem to know or understand that that figure is derived from using ID11 and not a push developer. Its called D3200 because thats what you get with microphen and not with ID11. And beating Ilford for promoting its own developers is a pointless exercise. Not only do they promote them but they develop and test films using their own materials. Infact they optimise their films and developers to work together. Kind of makes sense to use them together, especially if you want maximum speed film.
    Thanks for the recommendation - I may have to get some Microphen and give it a shot. Since I'm usually shooting it in 120 (mainly 6x4.5) grain is not the concern it might be in 35mm, plus I like some grain.

    This strip is D3200 shot at 3200 and developed per the instructions for 6400 in T-Max developer.

    I've posted this before in another thread about this film, but here are a couple of shots on it shot at 3200 and developed in T-Max, in this case shot with my Yaschicamat 124. I'm not sure it would be reasonable to expect better results, but maybe I could get similar results a stop faster in Microphen:


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    Looks good. You can but try in Microphen if's ultimate speed you require. Like you say, in 120 grain is not so much of an issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin Corneau View Post
    From all I've ever heard of this film - shooting at a lower speed gives you extra shadow detail (not a bad thing, given that you want a softer look for this particular shoot) while still getting that lovely grain.

    FWIW, I've always shot this film at EI-1600 and developed for 3200. It's a unique film and another hit from Ilford, I say.

    Good luck.
    Thanks very much!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pentaxuser View Post
    Sorry, I need to elaborate here. My advice on speed alteration is intended to give the user an indication of shadow detail which is only marginally affected by development times. I'd use the time for 3200 which may blow the highlights a little for the slowest speed but given that most users agree as has been stated by Allen that the next higher film speed dev time should be used because D3200 is a low contrast film then even the dev time for 3200 will only increase highlight density a little.

    If 1250 to 1600 turns out to give the required shadow detail then the time for 3200 will be close to the right time

    I think that Allen has got it right but the OP may need to discover for himself. Unless he experiments he will never know for himself what his right speed is.

    The alternative is 9 shots at 800 then 9 at 1250 etc and cutting the film in the dark into four sections and developing separately and with knowledge of leader measurement to frame one and markers on a bench for nine frames this kind of cutting is possible with the loss of one frame at each cut but it is quite an ordeal unless the OP is familiar with and has had experience with such a procedure in the dark.

    pentaxuser
    That degree of experimentation is probably more than I want to delve into using just a little changing bag. But I do appreciate the insight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by litody View Post
    delta 3200 is actually a low contrast film designed for pushing with a speed increasing developer resulting in normal contrast.
    If you are using Microphen stock as per ilfords recommended dilutions with microphen, then shoot at 3200 and you will get a normal contrast index negative with ample shadow detail (an 8 stop range). However, D3200 and Microphen combination will be quite grainy which may or may not be what you want.
    But you say you are using D76 and that is at least a stop slower than microphen with D3200.
    Ilford work out ISO using ID11 (same as D76 near enough) so that speed of 1000 or 1250 will be about right with D76.
    But if you must have the speed of 3200 or 6400 then microphen will be your best option, optimally at EI 3200.
    Thanks, but unless my local photo supply store carries Microphen, I'll probably just stick with the D76 for now. I'd hate to risk messing up with an unfamiliar developer on something more important than a test shoot!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lancekingphoto View Post
    Thanks, but unless my local photo supply store carries Microphen, I'll probably just stick with the D76 for now. I'd hate to risk messing up with an unfamiliar developer on something more important than a test shoot!
    Well with D76 then the film iso is around 1000. For every stop of push you apply you will lose some shadow detail. Pushing film development increases film contrast. If your subject is low contrast then that can be a good thing and a one stop push to 2000 should yield perfectly good results. And if your subject is very low contrast a two stop push to 4000 should be acceptable too. The difficulty is getting the metering correct.
    On the other hand, if your subject is normal or high contrast and you push the film development which increases film contrast, then you will end up with negatives that are very high in contrast.

    This really means you should be picking a developer to suit not only the lighting level but also the subject contrast. But if you only have D76 then you ain't got much choice. Subjects by a window can be high in contrast with one side of subject in direct light and the other in deep shadow. if that is the case and you are using 2000 or 4000 or something in between, then I would suggest trying to keep subject back from window to reduce subject contrast or employ a reflector to bring shadow values up (keeping the subject contrast below normal so that film dev push brings it back to normal).

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    Quote Originally Posted by lancekingphoto View Post
    Thanks, but unless my local photo supply store carries Microphen, I'll probably just stick with the D76 for now. I'd hate to risk messing up with an unfamiliar developer on something more important than a test shoot!
    See if they have DD-X, T-Max or Xtol, especially if you have time to run a test roll. Any of those should give more speed than D76.

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    Ilford Delta 3200: Expose at Box Speed or not?

    If its any consolation, I just shot some 120 D3200 at 3200 and developed it in ilfsol 3 using the massive dev chart for 3200 and had good results... And there was virtually no light toward the end of the roll I was shooting 1/15th handheld and 1/8th to 2 seconds on tripod, all good images. (Mamiya 7 II rangefinder). I find ilfsol 3 very versatile, so I use that a lot, but as stated, if D67 works, then that's all that matters... (it was also much less grainy than the P3200 tmax film I used. Though to be fair I did NOT use tmax developer...


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    I shoot it at 1000-1600 and develop in Ilford DD-X. Great combo.
    I've also developed D3200 in Diafine with surprisingly good results.

    One interesting thing to try is shoot it at 640 or 800. It's a low contrast film and the exposure range you will see is jaw dropping.

    Personally I think D3200 is the best ultra highspeed b/w film out there (and it comes in 120!). I never could understand why people claimed that it was grainier than TMY 3200P. I've shot plenty of both and always found the opposite to be true. Does the Tmax developer make TMY3200 particularly grainy? It sure did give it a boost in the shadows.
    Last edited by Harry Lime; 11-02-2012 at 02:25 AM. Click to view previous post history.

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    What kind of effective speed did you get with Diafine? Diafine seems to work best, in terms of speed anyway, with traditional films. Tri-X is effectively faster in it than TMZ is, so I never tried it with D3200.

    I don't find TMZ "particularly grainy" with T-Max developer. It's grainy, sure, but not that bad. Very nice at 5x7 and not really obtrusive at 8x10. I'd hesitate to print larger from the combo though, unless the grain helped the subject.

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