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    Colour photography is a technical discipline. It requires the ability to see with the camera (not through it!), and the scene balanced visually and aesthetically to appeal, then enunciate it from the lens and the film's point of view (especially challenging with high contrast, vivid palette film like the Velvias). B&W is one-dimensional and interpreted by tone with many, many variations in darkroom-based practice. Many people will master and stick with B&W, others will master colour only (such as myself) and rarely dabble in another type of film. I once used only B&W but got bored, even with darkroom production, and needed the challenge of colour, without which I felt very unfulfilled.

    On the other hand, you can get an idea of the stuff the colour forum folk are rabbiting on about by paying a visit to the various undead Kodachrome threads. Seems nobody is going to allow it to rest in peace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedSun View Post
    Is this a joke?

    For color, in addition to density and contrast, you'll have to consider color balance. The darkroom practices are also harder: safelight is not safe with color, more stringent requirements on chemical temperature and the faster aging of color paper.

    For BW, everything is simpler and easier: safeligh; low requirements on temperature; tray processing and you can see the images; simpler processing (no bleach). You have complete control on the entire BW process.

    I think I somehow started the discussion in the wrong forum. Some of the folks here so biased toward the only thing they do...
    One is not simpler than the other. Both have their challenges. Both are relatively simple to learn, but both require more time and knowledge to master. But they're also two very different processes. It's not really fair to compare one to the other.
    No idea what's going to happen next, but I'm hoping it involves being wrist deep in chemicals come the weekend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedSun View Post
    Is this a joke?

    For color, in addition to density and contrast, you'll have to consider color balance. The darkroom practices are also harder: safelight is not safe with color, more stringent requirements on chemical temperature and the faster aging of color paper.

    For BW, everything is simpler and easier: safeligh; low requirements on temperature; tray processing and you can see the images; simpler processing (no bleach). You have complete control on the entire BW process.

    I think I somehow started the discussion in the wrong forum. Some of the folks here so biased toward the only thing they do...
    I see by your posts in other threads that you are new to color processing, so how can you judge it as truly harder? Many things seem hard when you first do them, but with experience they get easier as you work out the problems. I do both color and B&W and but I have done a lot more color and it seems easy now but with B&W I am still working out problems I have with it, but as time is going by I am solving the problems. Perhaps it is true that one is not simpler than the other but I think B&W with its larger number of variables is potentially more involving.

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    I give up. He keeps repeating nonsense and is apparently immune to learning any different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Cole View Post
    I give up. He keeps repeating nonsense and is apparently immune to learning any different.
    What you said is completely nonsense. You just like to argue, the same old.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Cole View Post
    I give up. He keeps repeating nonsense and is apparently immune to learning any different.
    troll, troll, troll.....


    I said it earlier.

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    I just want to make the record straight. I started this thread since I see there are more posts on B&W, compared to color. I was curious as to why. Then I made some observations and wanted to see what the other folks think. Most of the discussions are objective and I could see from other angles. But some of the folks, like this Roger Cole boy, started to argue, even tried to attack me. It is fine you can have your opinion and I can have my opinion. You do not have to get excited just because of the way someone else thinks differently.

    Whatever it goes, it is always good to have an open mind and listen to what others have to say.

    We should close this thread and do not get this out of control. Absolutely no need to get excited, or agitated
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChristopherCoy View Post
    troll, troll, troll.....


    I said it earlier.
    And I agree now.

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    Blah, blah, blah....
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    "Ignore this thread" - it's a wonderful thing. Buhbye.

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