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    Quote Originally Posted by RedSun View Post
    It is like going to a building work area where there is a sign "Keep out, Dangerous". But someone does not believe it and goes there often. Then he would say it is perfect safe to ignore the warning. Then some day, a brick fell and hit him hard.....
    some people even ignore expiry dates on films and use them rather than throw them away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by perkeleellinen View Post
    Suzanne is right isn't she? Most who shoot colour scan and we don't talk about that. I wonder how many colour printers there are here. 50?

    I am a colour printer

    Find it too hard to hybrid print from colour negs/slides at home. Easier in the darkroom for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by perkeleellinen View Post
    Already had. Post #23
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    Did B&W in HS, Cibachrome till it's demise, alot of inkjet/lab color, now a little bit of B&W once again. All the inkjet/lab color is faded away, even the stuff under glass/covered. The Cibachrome is indestructible, the old B&W Panalure is holding it's own and the real silver B&W is timeless. I don't waste my time or money on color printing now. Regards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iskra 2 View Post
    Did B&W in HS, Cibachrome till it's demise, alot of inkjet/lab color, now a little bit of B&W once again. All the inkjet/lab color is faded away, even the stuff under glass/covered. The Cibachrome is indestructible, the old B&W Panalure is holding it's own and the real silver B&W is timeless. I don't waste my time or money on color printing now. Regards.

    My sole interest is in enunciating the world with colour. I do occasionally dabble in B&W but nowhere near as often or as much as around 20 years ago.
    And how does one qualify that "Cibachrome is indestructible"? The best of the Ilfochrome printers will tell you it's not indestructible. It actually can fade, is prone to scuffing, creasing and scratching. The stuff has staying power, certainly, but expose it to heat (as many Ilfochrome prints in poorly set up galleries are) and it will fade rapidly. I'm personally glad we are free of Ilfochrome now, despite having a lot to say about its demise at the time (along with the extraordinarily frequent price rises and factory demands for larger roll orders). Modern alternative materials have got a leg up on the old bastion of Ilfochrome and will continue to improve in the next few years — I know this by comparing test work of 14 years ago to current work produced for gallery/exhibition. I don't consider the world to be a poorer place in the absence of Ilfochrome, colour darkrooms, B&W darkrooms, traditional printing or, for that matter, the emergency of the digital revolution and the likely loss of film within 15 years. Just go with what you are comfortable with, for as long as you want. No sweat if something is lost by the roadside in the journey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poisson Du Jour View Post
    And how does one qualify that "Cibachrome is indestructible"?
    Easy, compare a Ciba print with a fibre print. No contest, the fibre print is a fragile piece of paper.

    Quote Originally Posted by Poisson Du Jour View Post
    The best of the Ilfochrome printers will tell you it's not indestructible. It actually can fade, is prone to scuffing, creasing and scratching.
    Are you kidding us, without referring you to the archival experts, my Ciba prints have never faded. All my R4 prints have.

    Quote Originally Posted by Poisson Du Jour View Post
    The stuff has staying power, certainly, but expose it to heat (as many Ilfochrome prints in poorly set up galleries are) and it will fade rapidly.
    Much much slower than an R4 print.

    Quote Originally Posted by Poisson Du Jour View Post
    Just go with what you are comfortable with, for as long as you want. No sweat if something is lost by the roadside in the journey.
    Agreed. However, Ciba and Kodachrome have not been matched yet. Peace. Regards
    Kodachrome Rules:)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirius Glass View Post
    More photographers do black & white processing and printing than color processing and printing.
    Bingo!
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