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    Quote Originally Posted by Andre Noble View Post
    The deniers vs stockpilers on this thread illustrate that in life, people can be separated into two camps:

    Those who realize it is their responsibility to take care of themselves and then there are those who expect that someone else is responsible for taking care of them.

    This applies to everything, retirement planning, emergencies, you name it.
    Well said!

    Its good to have a few miles of film and enough paper in the freezer.
    Especially when You prefer particular films and papers, no manufacturer would stand behind in the long run.

    Quote Originally Posted by Poisson Du Jour View Post
    ...Quite apart from the fact that the reality of deep freeze embrittles over the longer term, time, stains and sticks and can in all probability be rendered useless in that state....
    Stockpiling is for passionate and well informed folks who know the stuff You dont

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andre Noble View Post
    This applies to everything, retirement planning, emergencies, you name it.
    ... so does moderation (the third option). We all seem to have our personal definitions of too-much, too-little, and just-enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by georg16nik View Post
    Well said!

    Its good to have a few miles of film and enough paper in the freezer.
    Especially when You prefer particular films and papers, no manufacturer would stand behind in the long run.



    Stockpiling is for passionate and well informed folks who know the stuff You dont

    what sort of "stuff" are you talking about ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnanian View Post
    what sort of "stuff" are you talking about ?

    Good question. I'm waiting.

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    Thinking of investing in $5,000 - $10,000 of film. Suggestions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andre Noble View Post
    The deniers vs stockpilers on this thread illustrate that in life, people can be separated into two camps:

    Those who realize it is their responsibility to take care of themselves and then there are those who expect that someone else is responsible for taking care of them.
    A bit excessive to say there are 'deniers' in this thread - no one is saying that we are entering an age where film will be cheap and old emulsions will come back to life. If there are two camps it is 1) one should ensure that you have the stock you need and film selection will if anything worsen over time and 2) if we want to keep companies viable, regular and frequent purchases help.

    Really I don't think these points are mutually exclusive. So I am with Brianshaw (if i understand u correctly) on a third path of stocking up on stuff that I know may be fading away (eg some efke films) and at the same time trying to throw some cash in a regular frequency at some vendors I use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianShaw View Post
    ... so does moderation (the third option). We all seem to have our personal definitions of too-much, too-little, and just-enough.
    I'd rather have too much, and then sell off the excess at profit to the "too-little" and "just enough" camps years down the line.

    BTW, I just find it fantastically interesting that after:

    Kodak HIE
    Kodak EIR
    kodak 125 Plus X
    Kodak TXP 320 in rolls
    All Kodak E6
    Polaroid type 55
    Velvia 50 in sheets
    All of the beautiful Agfa Color Negative
    Fuji slow color negative in rolls and sheets

    and I'm sure there are those that i missed -

    have all recently been permanently discontinued - all fantastic, iconic emulsions - there are STILL a few people on this thread who are either not passionate enough, or too jealous of those with the pre planning, or too clueless to realize that:

    It is entirely possible that ALL color films from all manufacturers could be discontinued tomorrow.

    This is what time it is.

    Now is the Time.
    Last edited by Andre Noble; 11-13-2012 at 05:01 PM. Click to view previous post history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andre Noble View Post
    I'd rather have too much, and then sell off the excess at profit to the "too-little" and "just enough" camps years down the line.

    selling off fogged expired de-speeded film at a profit ?
    i am trying to figure out how that pans out seeing i for the most part only purchase
    expired / outdated film ( and paper ), it is usually for less than paid for when new ...
    and just before the film / paper would have hit the landfill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnanian View Post
    what sort of "stuff" are you talking about ?
    Quote Originally Posted by Poisson Du Jour View Post
    Good question. I'm waiting.
    How to keep film in freeze and not be brittle after say 30 years.
    There are simple ways to control humidity etc. etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by georg16nik View Post
    How to keep film in freeze and not be brittle after say 30 years.
    There are simple ways to control humidity.

    We are not thinking about the effects of humidity... We are talking about the natural properties of celluloid and the stability of the emulsion.
    Show me film that has been in cold storage for 30 years and just been removed. That is the challenge now, not 30 years hence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by georg16nik View Post
    How to keep film in freeze and not be brittle after say 30 years.
    There are simple ways to control humidity etc. etc.
    even i would never buy film from the freezer of someone
    who claimed his / her film was frozen in a controlled environment
    for 30 +/- years ... maybe if it was just "given" to me i'd use it
    but probably not .. seeing in 30 years time cosmic + solar radiation
    will probably increase &c to change good to bad ( even quicker than it already does )
    if you bought a mountain of AZO paper, that would make it in full glory
    seeing it is pretty much the only stuff that seems to last, and last, and last ...

    this whole conversation is kind of funny, seeing
    the world is supposed to end in just a few weeks
    so i am just going to shoot my expired film and paper
    like it's 1999



 

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