Thinking of investing in $5,000 - $10,000 of film. Suggestions?

[Poisson Du Jour]

How to keep film in freeze and not be brittle after say 30 years.
There are simple ways to control humidity.

We are not thinking about the effects of humidity... We are talking about the natural properties of celluloid and the stability of the emulsion.
Show me film that has been in cold storage for 30 years and just been removed. That is the challenge now, not 30 years hence.

[jnanian]

How to keep film in freeze and not be brittle after say 30 years.
There are simple ways to control humidity etc. etc.

even i would never buy film from the freezer of someone
who claimed his / her film was frozen in a controlled environment
for 30 +/- years ... maybe if it was just "given" to me i'd use it
but probably not .. seeing in 30 years time cosmic + solar radiation
will probably increase &c to change good to bad ( even quicker than it already does )
if you bought a mountain of AZO paper, that would make it in full glory
seeing it is pretty much the only stuff that seems to last, and last, and last ...

this whole conversation is kind of funny, seeing
the world is supposed to end in just a few weeks
so i am just going to shoot my expired film and paper
like it's 1999

[Poisson Du Jour]

Can I ask that you show me the proven science that has been researched, tested, evaluated, peer-reviewed and accepted as fact (not heresy) that film will be entirely useable in 30 years from this date.

Better still, roll out the film stockpile that you ferreted away in 1980 and publish your findings.

Until we are better informed with science, and not populist opinion, then, and only then, talk about what film will be like a few decades from now.

[georg16nik]

We are not thinking about the effects of humidity... We are talking about the natural properties of celluloid and the stability of the emulsion.
Show me film that has been in cold storage for 30 years and just been removed. That is the challenge now, not 30 years hence.

Slow materials, film or paper, keeps well even at room temp. 30 years in freeze or proper environment is nothing.
Kodak Tech pan, AgfaPan 25 and ORWO NP15 keeps very good in freeze, they are like new, fixed grade papers as well.

[ROL]

I am serious about my photography (I am working towards being a fine art photographer)...

Am I missing anything? I know I might appear nuts, but I've thought it through.... mostly!

Serious and fine art? You better have a lifetime of extra cash (or sleep with the right people) if your goal is to make it as a fine artist. Sorry for the metaphorical dowsing of cold water, but I can't seem to find the slap across the face SNAP OUT OF IT "smiley".

[georg16nik]

Can I ask that you show me the proven science that has been researched, tested, evaluated, peer-reviewed and accepted as fact (not heresy) that film will be entirely useable in 30 years from this date.

Better still, roll out the film stockpile that you ferreted away in 1980 and publish your findings.

Until we are better informed with science, and not populist opinion, then, and only then, talk about what film will be like a few decades from now.

You might also like to see a certificate from Wetzlar verifying that my Leica I is still with original shutter and parts and is working as new?

[Poisson Du Jour]

You might also like to see a certificate from Wetzlar verifying that my Leica I is still with original shutter and parts and is working as new?

Just show me the tested, proven, published science about long-term frozen storage of film, not the piffle about Leicas. Thanks.

[BrianShaw]

Just show me the tested, proven, published science about long-term frozen storage of film, not the piffle about Leicas. Thanks.

I'd be happy with any kind of scientific data, published or not... all I've ever heard is experiential opinion.

[Poisson Du Jour]

I'd be happy with any kind of scientific data, published or not... all I've ever heard is experiential opinion.

Bring it on please. As I've said in previous posts, I want to see facts based on proven, reviewed science, and not amateur populist opinion.

[PKM-25]

Serious and fine art? You better have a lifetime of extra cash (or sleep with the right people) if your goal is to make it as a fine artist. Sorry for the metaphorical dowsing of cold water, but I can't seem to find the slap across the face SNAP OUT OF IT "smiley".

Sorry to turn the burner on underneath your cold water but have you considered that unlike 99% of the so called "fine art" photography out there, his might actually be good?

And where have people got this "stored for 30 years" stuff? None of the film I have stored will live in my freezer beyond ten years, color less than 5. That is the whole idea behind creating the 10-15 year basis in the initial stock then using and replacing regularly. There is more of this going on than any of you may realize, Christopher Burkett bought a crapload of Ilfochrome recently along with his color films of choice.

We all have our priorities, mine is making damn good and sure I never have digital become my only option...