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    I wasn't misrepresenting your comment inasmuch as I did not ascribe the sentiment to you personally.
    Nevertheless the point stands - as you say "some sections ..." etc

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    I followed the link a couple of posts above. Eighty pounds for an 8M is interesting. The current price for a checked-out-working version is around twelve euros (about eight or nine pounds), except for in the Lomography shop. I do agree that they are the only entity doing mass-market marketing at the moment, but am a little surprised at the 900% mark-up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noble View Post
    I like lomography because it adds more film buyers into the mix. No one is denying in the hands of an expert consistently good quality creative work can be produced. But to claim that somehow using a $200 POS fixed aperture single shutter speed camera will make you take better pictures than a cheaper Elan 7NE setup is stretching things. Don't you think so? Only when it comes to "art" do people have these discussions.
    No one said that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevs View Post

    You know, I find it ironic that scientists spent 150-odd years perfecting sharp, grainless photographic materials and lenses only for some companies to produce plastic cameras with ghastly lenses and charge stupid sums of money for them.
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    This only proves that scienctists can be misguided and or wrong The Chevalier lens for daguerreotypes was already sharp enought for the medium, damn slow though. If scientist were only after the sharpest lens things like the 1.5 Xenon and other early high speed lenses wouldn't exist. The Pictoralist used fuzzy lenses so did portrait photographers. 100 year old portraits lenses fetch a pretty penny on ebay and at camera stores. Grainlessnes in itself just like sharpness isn't a virtue but a tool, just like an overpriced plastic lens camera. Some pictures require super sharp lenses and some a coke bottle. So scientist only looking for the sharpest possible lens know nothing about the photographic medium and art.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MDR View Post
    This only proves that scienctists can be misguided and or wrong The Chevalier lens for daguerreotypes was already sharp enought for the medium, damn slow though. If scientist were only after the sharpest lens things like the 1.5 Xenon and other early high speed lenses wouldn't exist. The Pictoralist used fuzzy lenses so did portrait photographers. 100 year old portraits lenses fetch a pretty penny on ebay and at camera stores. Grainlessnes in itself just like sharpness isn't a virtue but a tool, just like an overpriced plastic lens camera. Some pictures require super sharp lenses and some a coke bottle. So scientist only looking for the sharpest possible lens know nothing about the photographic medium and art.

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    Things get pretty boring when engineers dictate aesthetics.

    (Not that I don't love and revere engineers, but sometimes you need to get a net over them)

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    A lot of artists here that have trouble with the concept of gestalt.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChristopherCoy View Post
    I love when old guys use the term "hipster". It makes me think of my old neighbor who used to walk around in his boxer-shorts that were held up by suspenders, knee high socks with the two colored bands at the top, and an undershirt. He'd always come out to get the paper, grumble something about the 'damn kids' of the neighborhood, and then retreat to his recliner that had undoubtedly not seen the light of day since 1943. He must have lived a horrible, stale, lonely life in his old age. Poor guy.
    It's gestalt thing. I had a vague notion of how the word "hipster" was used in the modern vernacular... until I went to NYC in the spring. Walk down the street especially in Brooklyn and Manhattan and you will know who we are talking about. If you are in Texas it will take some explaining and in the end you will probably not be satisfied. NYC though is brimming with these characters. A couple of hours on a nice Saturday afternoon strolling down the High Line and your curiosity will be satiated.

    Ultimately if I read the OP correctly answering "what does 'Lomo' mean" requires an acceptance to some degree of the concept of gestalt. If every single person is going to rummage through their closet, collector's case, or vault; find an item that says "Lomo" on it; and then get offended with internet critiques of lomography or indeed the marketing department at big "L" Lomography.com you are never going to get closer to any real truths. There are those who say nothing good has every come out of a plastic camera. But that isn't what the majority of the people posting in this thread have said.

    I think we can all agree lomography is not the marketing department at lomography.com. Lomography is not a big expensive movie lens. Lomography is not a big expensive telescope lens. We all agree on that, right? That's the easy part.

    As to "what does 'Lomo' mean" I would say before nitpicking all the various aspects of what you think it means and getting offended consider the words of Justice Stewart when asked "what is porn."

    Quote Originally Posted by Justice Stewart
    I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description, and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it
    Frankly I would rather talk about porn than "Lomo." Less controversy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noble View Post
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    I think we can all agree lomography is not the marketing department at lomography.com. Lomography is not a big expensive movie lens. Lomography is not a big expensive telescope lens. We all agree on that, right? That's the easy part.
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    Why not just call it 'neo-pictorialist photography', since it's in keeping with the spirit of that earlier movement?
    Last edited by kevs; 12-04-2012 at 09:38 PM. Click to view previous post history.
    testing...

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    Just in case... I had to look it up.

    ge·stalt noun \gə-ˈstält, -ˈshtält, -ˈstȯlt, -ˈshtȯlt\
    plural ge·stalts also ge·stalt·en

    Definition of GESTALT

    ge·stalt noun \gə-ˈstält, -ˈshtält, -ˈstȯlt, -ˈshtȯlt\


    : a structure, configuration, or pattern of physical, biological, or psychological phenomena so integrated as to constitute a functional unit with properties not derivable by summation of its parts



    I still have no idea what that has to do with an old man in boxer shorts and suspenders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChristopherCoy View Post

    : a structure, configuration, or pattern of physical, biological, or psychological phenomena so integrated as to constitute a functional unit with properties not derivable by summation of its parts[/B]

    That sounds suspiciously like what I hear on the rare occasion when I'm trapped in a board room.

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    I love this forum. I love this thread. No extra charge for the entertainment.



 

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