Switch to English Language Passer en langue française Omschakelen naar Nederlandse Taal Wechseln Sie zu deutschen Sprache Passa alla lingua italiana
Members: 74,485   Posts: 1,644,749   Online: 898
      
Page 35 of 42 FirstFirst ... 2529303132333435363738394041 ... LastLast
Results 341 to 350 of 415
  1. #341
    Ian Grant's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Location
    West Midlands, UK, and Turkey
    Shooter
    Multi Format
    Posts
    16,775
    Images
    148
    Water works just as well, better if you use a developer with Carbonate as it helps rule out risks of pinholes.

    I don't have a real preference for either, I've found my fixer lasts just as well with a water rinse. It needs to be remembered that manufacturers like Kodak recommend either option in their datasheet.

    People make to big an issue out of it with films, it's entirely different with prints.

    Ian

  2. #342
    markbarendt's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    Beaverton, OR, USA
    Shooter
    Multi Format
    Posts
    5,956
    Blog Entries
    3
    Images
    19
    Quote Originally Posted by BetterSense View Post
    Water is cheaper than stop bath
    That depends, the water my home uses has to be delivered via a truck and stored in a cistern, it costs 6¢ per gallon.

    The bigger issue is simply availability, overuse means I can literally end up with nothing to drink and nothing to flush with for a day or two depending on the weather and that the emergency load I order might cost me 12¢ a gallon.

    I have been careful to avoid creating this situation with my darkroom work because it tends to make my wife grumpy.

    The other thought is that for those of us who choose to use distilled or specially filtered water the cost approaches $1 a gallon.
    Mark Barendt, Beaverton, OR

    "We do not see things the way they are. We see things the way we are." Anaïs Nin

  3. #343

    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    Los Angeles, CA
    Shooter
    Multi Format
    Posts
    8,006
    Images
    4
    Yes, you can do that, but I would not do it using water straight from the tap. I'd keep some water in a container in the cabinet with all your other chemicals so that every solution is close to the same temperature. It need not be store-bought water, but it should be bottled by you ahead of time and kept alongside your other chemicals and your water supply that you use for mixing processing solutions. (If you use tap water to mix your processing solutions, I suggest pre-bottling this as well, for the same reason.) There is some room for slop, but temperature differences between solutions should not be taken lightly.

    Additionally, I would use the water for longer than you would use the stop bath, and I would agitate more as well. Stop bath has done its thing in 15 to 30 seconds with just a few inversions, but it takes more time and agitation to rinse the developer out of the film. When I skip stop bath (which I usually do only when processing in open tanks), I do one minute with constant agitation, dump the water, then do the same thing again before going to the fixer.
    Last edited by 2F/2F; 10-09-2010 at 07:49 AM. Click to view previous post history.
    2F/2F

    "Truth and love are my law and worship. Form and conscience are my manifestation and guide. Nature and peace are my shelter and companions. Order is my attitude. Beauty and perfection are my attack."

    - Rob Tyner (1944 - 1991)

  4. #344

    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    New Jersey
    Shooter
    Medium Format
    Posts
    284
    Thanks. My reason for considering water instead of the Kodak stop bath is that I want to have 4 tanks (1500cc each) going at once and don't want to have 6 L of stop bath pre mixed as I use it one time and throw it out.

  5. #345

    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Location
    Netherlands
    Shooter
    Medium Format
    Posts
    5,682
    Quote Originally Posted by ymc226 View Post
    Thanks. My reason for considering water instead of the Kodak stop bath is that I want to have 4 tanks (1500cc each) going at once and don't want to have 6 L of stop bath pre mixed as I use it one time and throw it out.
    Just stop doing that!

  6. #346
    tiberiustibz's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Tufts University
    Shooter
    35mm
    Posts
    1,749
    Images
    5
    Vinegar works fine. 1-4 works fine for single use, use 1-1 or 2-1 if you'll be reusing it.

    and you can reuse stop bath until it turns purple. That takes a looooong time.
    --Nicholas Andre

  7. #347

    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    Los Angeles, CA
    Shooter
    Multi Format
    Posts
    8,006
    Images
    4
    Quote Originally Posted by tiberiustibz View Post
    Vinegar works fine. 1-4 works fine for single use, use 1-1 or 2-1 if you'll be reusing it.

    and you can reuse stop bath until it turns purple. That takes a looooong time.
    I think that vinegar may actually be more expensive in many cases...and it doesn't tell you when it has pooped out.

    With one $7 bottle of Kodak Indicator Stop Bath having lasted me four years, and still having 1/3 of the bottle left (meaning that I am spending about a dime per month on stop bath), I would not even consider the cost of stop bath when deciding whether or not to use it or vinegar. Then again, I re-use the working solution until it goes purple or loses its sharp smell. (Then I pour it in with my spent fixer for disposal at a local hazardous waste roundup facility.)
    2F/2F

    "Truth and love are my law and worship. Form and conscience are my manifestation and guide. Nature and peace are my shelter and companions. Order is my attitude. Beauty and perfection are my attack."

    - Rob Tyner (1944 - 1991)

  8. #348
    Mainecoonmaniac's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Shooter
    Multi Format
    Posts
    3,418
    Images
    6
    I don't use stop bath for processing film because I've had
    Pin holes from acid shock. Does anybody else experience the same?

  9. #349

    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Greece
    Shooter
    35mm
    Posts
    1,322
    Quote Originally Posted by Mainecoonmaniac View Post
    I don't use stop bath for processing film because I've had
    Pin holes from acid shock. Does anybody else experience the same?
    Perhaps it would be useful to tell us what film - developer combination caused pinholes. FWIW, it has never happened to me, but I only use films from major manufacturers and I've never used a developer with carbonate.

  10. #350
    clayne's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    San Francisco, CA | Kuching, MY | Jakarta, ID
    Shooter
    Multi Format
    Posts
    2,837
    Images
    57
    Quote Originally Posted by ymc226 View Post
    Thanks. My reason for considering water instead of the Kodak stop bath is that I want to have 4 tanks (1500cc each) going at once and don't want to have 6 L of stop bath pre mixed as I use it one time and throw it out.
    Stop dumping your stop bath after one use. It doesn't matter how much random crud is in it - it's not going to affect the image anyways.
    Stop worrying about grain, resolution, sharpness, and everything else that doesn't have a damn thing to do with substance.

    http://www.flickr.com/kediwah



 

APUG PARTNERS EQUALLY FUNDING OUR COMMUNITY:



Contact Us  |  Support Us!  |  Advertise  |  Site Terms  |  Archive  —   Search  |  Mobile Device Access  |  RSS  |  Facebook  |  Linkedin