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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael R 1974 View Post
    "There is no "free lunch".
    This is so true.
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    Thanks all for your input. I've decided to give it a try. Just ordered some (SandyK's formula) from Photographer's Formulary.
    WYSIWYG - At least that's my goal.

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    If you're anything like me, you'll find advantages and disadvantages to any developer. I have been using Pyrocat for about 5 years now, mainly because I can actually see an increased acutance in my images vs D76. That being said, I also use Xtol to accomplish a different look. Ultimately, it's best to do some side by side comparisons and see the strengths/weaknesses of each. For how much the chemistry costs, it's a no brainer when it comes to overall expense vs what can gained.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HTF III View Post
    You see all these claims as to how poisonous it is, but at one time it was used as a hair dye (pyrogallol). The same article I read also says metol and hydroquinone are poisonous. I wonder if pyro is really all that dangerous, or is it dangerous by today's standards, where EVERYTHING is poisonous. I'm thinking of switching to it after everything I've read on this site.
    If you eat smoked meats you are ingesting little doses of pyrogallol. Not good if that's all you eat.

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    Uh oh. I practically live on smoked meat...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael R 1974 View Post
    Uh oh. I practically live on smoked meat...
    Ah, Montreal ......
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    Just what I thought. Pyro is no more dangerous than anything else I get all over my hands every day. Thanks. I'm going to get some.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HTF III View Post
    Just what I thought. Pyro is no more dangerous than anything else I get all over my hands every day. Thanks. I'm going to get some.
    You're concluding things about the toxicity of these compounds based on smoked meat??? PLEASE read some proper documentation regarding the safe handling of Pyrogallol and Catechol (not to mention other compounds used in darkroom chemistry).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Noel View Post
    Pyrocat is preferred by many current workers over pyrogagallol (pyrogallic acid) for several reasons.
    A lot of these are not advantages over pyrogallol in some formulations:

    3. The stain masks the grain of the film.
    5. Both forms of pyro tan the emulsion providing more protection from scratches.
    6. Separation in the highlights is superb when compared to MQ or PQ developers
    7. It is probably the cheapest developer around when diluted to working dilutions.
    8. if mixed in polyethylene glycol, which it should be, it lasts for an extreme length of time. I have never had any go bad.
    9. the scale of the negative is enhanced because the film curves don't have unusual fluctations.
    10. since the concentrates are liquids, it is quick to get ready for use.
    5. Tie.
    6. Similar. Virtually a tie; it just depends on your preferences.
    7. I'd have to crunch the numbers, but most pyrogallol developers like PMK are very inexpensive to use.
    8. PMK lasts for years mixed in distilled water. It does not require propylene glycol when mixed.
    9. Tie.
    10. Tie.

    I don't mean to badmouth pyrocatechin developers, merely to point out that PMK has few disadvantages compared to them.

    Incidentally, and not related to the original poster, "pyrocat" is the name of a series of formulations using pyrocatechin aka catechol aka catechin (which are all the same developer). I'm not sure, OP, if you were talking about one of these formulas or if you were talking about pyrocatechin.
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