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    Neopan 1600 Xtol 1+1 what's wrong?

    Hello Everyone!
    I have developed my first Neopan 1600. Xtol 1+1, 7min, 10 sec initial agitation, one inversion every 30 sec.
    I got thin negative. What's wrong?
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    My guess would be under exposed in the camera?

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    Neopan 1600 is an 800 ISO film in the wrong box.

    Try rating it at 800 and a lot of the regular recipes start to work and give good negatives.

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    7 min sounds way too short for XTOL 1+1 at 20°C.
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    > 7 min sounds way too short for XTOL 1+1 at 20°C.
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    +1

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    Forgot to mention that I have exposed neopan 1600 as 800. Digitaltruth data is 6,75 min for Neopan 1600/800. My development time was even longer: 7 min.
    The negative is corectly exposed. Problem of thin negative was caused by development

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    Then you need more development
    - higher temperature (was it controlled?)
    - more agitation
    - longer time
    lead to more development and higher negative contrast.
    OTOH was XTOL fresh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hassie View Post
    Forgot to mention that I have exposed neopan 1600 as 800. Digitaltruth data is 6,75 min for Neopan 1600/800. My development time was even longer: 7 min.
    The negative is corectly exposed. Problem of thin negative was caused by development
    The numbers at Digitaltruth must not to be considered to be some kind of rule for how long films should be developed. They should be considered starting points.

    If your negatives have good shadow detail, but are thin in the highlights = low contrast, you have not developed the film long enough (or your developer is exhausted, or your developer temperature is too low; they all result in roughly the same thing).

    If your negatives have poor shadow detail, you have not given enough exposure for those shadow details to register (extra developing time will not bring these back).

    If your negatives lack shadow detail and don't have good highlight densities, you have both exposed too little and developed for too little time.
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    Before developing I have made research in the web and have found cca 7min as recommended time for Neopan 1600/800. Temperature was 20degrees when I started developing and 20,2 when I finished. Xtol was cca 2months old, keeped in jobo bottle, with almost no air. Working solution 1+1 was made just before developing. I think I should have increased agitation.
    Does anybody have it's own receipt for Xtol and neopan 1600/800 combo? I mean dillution/time/temp/agitation. I would be gretefull

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    Did you even read what I just wrote?

    How are your negatives thin? Is there enough shadow detail or not?

    It is up to YOU to fine tune your negatives. There will not be a predetermined recipe for that. The internet is full of opinions and methods that work well for others. It does not mean that a developing time that work well for me will work well for you.

    Too little contrast? Develop longer.
    Too little shadow detail? Expose more.
    Repeat until you have results that work for you.
    "Often moments come looking for us". - Robert Frank

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