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    Quote Originally Posted by powasky View Post
    My gut tells me that I should be shooting flat and dealing with it in post, but I'm not certain that's the best way to achieve a balanced final image.
    You don't necessarily need to aim for flat negatives, that may mean you can't print them properly another time in a darkroom, but if you are scanning the contrast should really be adjusted in post processing. So when scanning you should aim for a flat tone image, where you get all the tones and there is no clipping of either highlights or shadows. It will look horrible, and nothing like the end result. You then adjust it all in Lightroom or Photoshop to achieve the contrast and range you want. It is a big waste of time trying to get anywhere near the finished image at the scanning stage because scanning software is too crude. Additionally a flat 'master' image is open to further options being explored because it maintains as much information as the scanner can give, so you can start again and try the picture a different way, a bit like trying a different paper grade.

    In relation to your question the negatives contrast is achieved by exposure and development, what you are doing with say a yellow filter is adjusting the tone of areas within the picture. So a blue sky maintains the separation of tonal values when otherwise it would render nearly as pale as the clouds etc.

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    A scan of your negatives may give us better information to help answer your original question.

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    Sorry, I don't have a scanner at the moment, so I can't give examples. I think I'm going to jot down some of the information in the posts here for my own experimenting.
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    I'm very much a noob to film photography and black and white.

    I have been using a UV or Skylight filter (which is UV with a pink tint, right?) anytime I'm shooting outdoors under sunlight. I was told it cuts down on "haze".

    Anyone more experienced want to weigh in on the need for UV protection?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fostergregd View Post
    I'm very much a noob to film photography and black and white.

    I have been using a UV or Skylight filter (which is UV with a pink tint, right?) anytime I'm shooting outdoors under sunlight. I was told it cuts down on "haze".

    Anyone more experienced want to weigh in on the need for UV protection?
    The only way you're going to be satisfied is to take the filter off once in a while and see for yourself. I doubt it will make much difference, especially with black and white film.

    A UV filter may be handy especially when you use older lenses. But your best friend is always going to be a good quality lens hood to shade your lens from direct sunlight. Your lens works best when it looks at reflected light.
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    When I use my Nikon F3 on the street, I almost always use Tri-X or HP5+, almost always with a 35/1.4 Ai-S, and almost always use a deep red25 filter. I almost always push it, too. Not a big fan of midtones when I'm using that setup...

    Conversely, when I use my Leica, I use a Summicron DR, and the same films, but rarely use a filter, and err on the side of over exposure for smoothness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fostergregd View Post
    I'm very much a noob to film photography and black and white.

    I have been using a UV or Skylight filter (which is UV with a pink tint, right?) anytime I'm shooting outdoors under sunlight. I was told it cuts down on "haze".

    Anyone more experienced want to weigh in on the need for UV protection?
    A skylight is a weak UV filter.

    A UV filter cuts down the amount of UV light that reaches the film. You cannot see UV light, but films do - some films more than others.

    UV light tends to bounce around amongst the dust particles in our atmosphere (aka haze) so film sees more of the haze than our eyes do. A UV filter reduces that effect.

    Try shots with and without the filter, on hazy days and days where the air is cleaner (like after a rain storm). You may very well see clear differences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MattKing View Post
    Try shots with and without the filter, on hazy days and days where the air is cleaner (like after a rain storm). You may very well see clear differences.
    That is the best way, try them all and see what you get. Only then will you know.

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    For monochrome, a colour filter works to lighten matching parts of the subject and darkens other colours. You can preview the effect by flipping the filter in front of your eye and away. You should not need a filter to get a grey tone from blue sky unless you are underexposing or possibly over developing, or using Ortho film, for example.

    With the exception of UV or Skylight 'clear lens caps', I put on a filter because I need the effect. Which means I have to change the way the film will render the scene to get the effect I want. i do a lot of landscape work, so I probably use yellow-green or green more than anything else to adjust the separation of foliage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MattKing View Post
    A skylight is a weak UV filter.
    I always thought they were the same thing.

    “The contemplation of things as they are, without error or confusion, without substitution or imposture, is in itself a nobler thing than a whole harvest of invention”

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