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    I know the Art 300 is thicker, I am going through a box of 16x20 matt paper purchased fresh and it is the same weight, so this is strange .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Nadvornick View Post
    I seem to remember a thread from quite a while ago where Simon mentioned an upcoming modification to Ilford papers that was supposed to help them lie flatter after drying without the need for hot pressing. Might this have something to do with it??

    Just speculating...

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    Didn't see that, Ken, but thanks for pointing out. I have no doubt that the paper in this box of 250 (gloss) I bought on April 26th from B&H, is thicker and it indeed dries flatter. Still needs some pressing but sure is better.

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    Found it, from October 2006:

    Entirely Flat Fibre Base : ILFORD Photo :

    But the time frame stated for switching to the new manufacturing process was "early in 2007," so maybe this isn't related.

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    Did that Ilford research idea eventually help with the ART300 paper, not that it's completely flat though? I'm going to look around the Ilford site and elsewhere as I'm intrigued by this thread and buy a load of paper only about twice a year . . .

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    Well it looks like everyone has different experiences with the same papers. The new MGIV floated right up when put in the washer. Same as new Oriental VCII, Bergger VC NB and Emaks. They seem to have similar paper bases. The previous MGIV was 2011 vintage and did not float at all. I move my prints vertically a few times during washing and these always settled to the bottom. Same for my 2011 MGWT. Older MCC, Seagull graded and Forte Polywarmtone are on a different more flexible base and don't float for me. Can't remember what Adox 110 did. Yes I just use the top piece to weigh it down with so no big deal. Actually it's easier to move the prints during the wash with the floaters. Take off the top and they just bob up and down on their own. The others you have to reach it to grab, move them up and down a couple times and then they sink.

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    The Art 300 is on a different base from other Ilford papers. It is heavier and made by Hahnemulle who produce a range of specialist inkjet papers. I tried it recently and it is quite impressive. I washed it in a tray, so didn't notice its buoyant tendencies. Alex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tkamiya View Post
    I suggest increasing the exposure time so the tone is thick and heavy.

    They always float for me and I've been using it for several years. I have a bar that goes across slots of the washer to keep them submerged.
    yeh, more exposure does make a difference!!!! much heavier

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotch View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by JimO View Post
    yeh, more exposure does make a difference!!!! much heavier
    Come on, guys - don't give out bad info!

    The true reason is too much heavy waterin the washer! Or perhaps all that heavy hypo is sinking to the bottom of the washer and displacing the paper...
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