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    Inconsistent paper base tone.

    I am having the problem of some of my prints having a much warmer base tone that others made during the same printing session. I do not have a print washer, so I manually wash all my prints together at the end of the session. This means that some of the prints have been soaking for as long as a few hours, while others go straight into the wash. I have most noticed this with Bergger VCCB, and Forte Poly warmtone, both warm tone papers. My first thought is that these papers have artificial whiteners, and that the prints that soak for the longest have more of these whiteners washed out, exposing the natural tone of the paper. However, I made just three prints the other day and I noticed a distinct difference in paper base tone, the whole session lasting maybe an hour. I have thought that the paper may not be entirely consistent, but more likely I'm doing something wrong. One last thought is that this could be caused by fogging of some sort. ??

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    I have made that experience with Fomatone MG, another bromide warmtone fb paper, and never found out how to control it. The base gives a tone from soft wide to allmost chamois and the effect takes place in the developing process - the variations are already showing up when I pull the print out of the fixer.

    My best guess: it has to do with the developer - temp, state of exhaustion, "agitation", time.
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    Papers

    MM-here's what I did to get around color variations. Mix up at least a third more developer and make less prints. I only use Fotrepolywarmtone so this may or may not hold true for other papers. As Fred Picker once said about a thousand times: TRY IT!
    Good luck Peter

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    Any chance this is a safelight fogging problem?
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    I do need to do a safelight fog test- one of those million things I've off.

    As for "salting" the developer, wouldn't this also create a warmer image tone? I use Zonal Pro HQ 1:10, BTW.

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    I have had this with some homebrew paper developers and usually it was fixed by adding a little benzotriazole to the developer

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    If the solution were salting the developer or adding a restrainer, would that then point to chemical fogging as the problem?

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    Gary,

    not with my experience - the safelights are safe and tested, red and yellow LEDs and the paper is very slow, two or three stops slower than MG4RC.

    But it might have been some older stock, it sold dirt-cheap at the Foma company outlet in Prague.
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    This may have absolutely nothing to do with your circumstances but I'll throw it out anyway. The data sheet for Ilford Multigrade papers notes that warmest image color on their fiber base paper is achieved by extended washing.

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    I think that does apply, and is an example of whiteners being washed out with extended washing. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

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