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    Quote Originally Posted by Curt View Post
    Panatomic-X.

    No other film comes close to it except Rollei Pan 25 or Agfa Pan 25.

    There're all dead now. What's the use in talking about it further.
    As the French would say "Tout passé, tout casse, tout lasse."
    A rock pile ceases to be a rock pile the moment a single man contemplates it, bearing within him the image of a cathedral.

    ~Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerald C Koch View Post
    As the French would say "Tout passé, tout casse, tout lasse."


    ALL THINGS SHALL PASS AWAY.


    BY THEODORE TILTON.


    ONCE in Persia ruled a king
    Who upon his signet ring
    ’Graved a motto true and wise,
    Which, when held before his eyes,
    Gave him counsel at a glance
    Fit for any change or chance.
    Solemn words, and these were they:
    “Even this shall pass away.”


    Trains of camel through the sand
    Brought him gems from Samarkand;
    Fleets of galleys through the seas
    Brought him pearls to rival these.
    Yet he counted little gain
    Treasures of the mine or main.
    “Wealth may come, but not to stay;
    Even this shall pass away.”


    ’Mid the revels of his court,
    In the zenith of his sport,
    When the palms of all his guests,
    Burned with clapping at his jests,
    He, amid his figs and wine,
    Cried: “Oh, precious friends of mine,
    Pleasure comes, but not to stay —
    Even this shall pass away.”


    Lady, fairest ever seen,
    Was the bride he crowned his queen.
    Pillowed on his marriage bed
    Softly to his soul he said:
    “Though no bridegroom ever pressed
    Fairer bosom to his breast,
    Mortal flesh must come to clay —
    Even this shall pass away.”


    Fighting in a furious field,
    Once a javelin pierced his shield,
    Soldiers with a loud lament
    Bore him bleeding to his tent.
    Groaning, from his wounded side,
    “Pain is hard to bear,” he cried.
    “But, with patience, day by day,
    Even this shall pass away.”


    Towering in the public square,
    Twenty cubits in the air,
    Rose his status grand in stone;
    And the king, disguised, unknown,
    Gazing on his sculptured name,
    Asked himself: “And what is fame?
    Fame is but a slow decay —
    Even this shall pass away.”


    Struck with palsy, sere and old,
    Standing at the gates of gold,
    Spake him this, in dying breath:
    “Life is done, and what is death?”
    Then, in answer to the king,
    Fell a sunbeam on the ring,
    Answering, with its heavenly ray:
    “Even death shall pass away.”
    Everytime I find a film or paper that I like, they discontinue it. - Paul Strand - Aperture monograph on Strand

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    All I ask, to shoot tonight,
    Is for a film that's black and white.
    The box it comes in must be yellow.
    The grain so fine it looks like Jell-o.
    Panatomic-X was great,
    But I'll admit I came too late.
    So "Give it up!" I hear you say.
    Well, maybe so, but not today.

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    Please correct any errors but this is my version of the story:
    Panatomic-X was produced for 50 years fom 1938-1988.Around 1955 the thin emulsion Adox films were introduced.In 1958 Beutler's book "Meine Dunkelkammer Praxis first appeated,I have not seen it but it was likely related to Adox films.Elsewhere I read Panatomic-X was re-formulated in the 60's.Production of T-max in the late 80's ended Panatomic-X.Crawley called this "the acutance era"-it was possible to produce acutance effects with Adox and Panatomic-X.
    Production of the successor Adox fiilms continued till the plant recently closed.
    Now Adox Chs 100 II appeared-what will that be like?

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    Ahrgh this thread is messing with my creative side.

    I reviewed a bunch of vintage negatives last night, to choose some for printing...

    And I selected a 35mm negative on APX-25. The conscious mind has crossed over and polluted the subliminal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan Johnson View Post
    Now Adox Chs 100 II appeared-what will that be like?
    Look forward to seeing results. While I've always used standard developers I think it would be worth trying an acutance developer on any new film...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan Johnson View Post
    Please correct any errors but this is my version of the story:
    Panatomic-X was produced for 50 years fom 1938-1988.Around 1955 the thin emulsion Adox films were introduced.In 1958 Beutler's book "Meine Dunkelkammer Praxis first appeated,I have not seen it but it was likely related to Adox films.Elsewhere I read Panatomic-X was re-formulated in the 60's.Production of T-max in the late 80's ended Panatomic-X.Crawley called this "the acutance era"-it was possible to produce acutance effects with Adox and Panatomic-X.
    Production of the successor Adox fiilms continued till the plant recently closed.
    Now Adox Chs 100 II appeared-what will that be like?
    Alan, I suspect this business about an "acutance era" with respect to Pan-X etc. is overstated. Comprehensive tests with modern versions of films such as Pan-F+ and FP4+, as well as tabular grain films, with a variety of developers would have to be done. I think we also need to be careful regarding names like "Adox", which as far as I know is simply branding at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael R 1974 View Post
    Alan, I suspect this business about an "acutance era" with respect to Pan-X etc. is overstated. Comprehensive tests with modern versions of films such as Pan-F+ and FP4+, as well as tabular grain films, with a variety of developers would have to be done. I think we also need to be careful regarding names like "Adox", which as far as I know is simply branding at this point.
    All I can add is that the old Adox films were likely continued on under the Efke brand. It seems that way to be, because last winter I printed a 1967 negative, Adox KB14 (14=DN speed), and it was remarkably similar to later negs I have shot with Efke film.

    As far as I understand, Mirko at ADOX is actually trying to recreate Efke KB100 / R100 / PL100, but with improved QC. That would mean that the new ADOX CHS would be closely related to the old ADOX KB stuff. And to me that is exciting.
    "Often moments come looking for us". - Robert Frank

    "Make good art!" - Neil Gaiman

    "...the heart and mind are the true lens of the camera". - Yousuf Karsh

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    Michael, the acutance effect is probably supressed by higher iodide in the emulsion:
    http://www.apug.org/forums/forum37/4...-additive.html
    Thomas, I believe what you say about the successor films to the early KB 14,17, 21 is correct but I will be inclined to try CHS 100 II in medium format to reduce grain.

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    Alan, re: supression of edge effects due to iodide, possible I suppose, but then even in current "core-shell"-type crystals my understanding is the iodide content is still relatively small. Further, assuming we buy into Crawley's chemistry, what of his addition of a small amount of iodide to FX-1 to increase sharpness (with films of the day)? If certain films produce less pronounced edge effects than some old-style emulsions, there could be other reasons too. But perhaps edge effects with a film like Delta 100 can be increased with a different developer formulation. Certainly the sulfite/sharpness research by Altman and Henn, Richard Henry's results etc. showed that the effects of a particular developer formulation on image structure can vary significantly by film type, which leads us back to the point PE has made before - ie a developer can be optimized for a film, but not for all films.

    Also, to really prove TMax 100 etc. produce less pronounced edge effects than say Pan-X, we would need controlled experiments with a variety of developers, and microdensitometry data.

    Michael



 

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