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    Has Adox MCC 110 Changed?

    Hi everyone,

    I have been using Adox MCC 110 for a few years and I have recently noticed some serious change of its characteristics.

    It used to come with White boxes (I assume it's until beginning of 2012) then it changed to Red boxes(paper is same as one in white boxes though), then again, it comes with same red boxes but the description of the emulsion code (which you can find on the back of each boxes) looks in very different way. You can also find the production date on the right side of the emulsion code according to an instruction of MCC; "5-12" means "May.2012" for instance.

    Anyway, I happened to get some batch which was manufactured in and after Jan.2013 from Freestylephoto and Fotoimpex someday and that was a total different paper from what it used to be. I printed both of new and old one at the same time;with same negative,same exposure and same developer, and anyone on this planet could tell the difference between them. I wouldn't say it's because of fogging or manufacture's failure as they're very consistent within each batch (even with different sizes).

    As long as I experienced, the new one has much more contrast (old one can't get same contrast of new one even with two higher grade), more warm side (more controllable with a choice of developers), a slightly brighter surface (it also happened to Ilford papers by the way) and response better in Selenium toner. I personally much prefer the new one because I used to have problems with old one; it's sometimes very low contrast (even with a condenser head and Agfa's contrast filters), it couldn't get any warm tone regardless of developers or not really change in Selenium.

    Now I'm having a trouble with making sure that I would get a new batch from Freestylephoto as they still have both of new and old batch in stock. I was told that It'd be very time consuming for them to find some specific batch from their huge warehouse so I would have to order more than 5 boxes of same size if I wanted it. Fotoimpex, on the other hand, seems to stock mostly new one (The last time I ordered 12x16 from them, I've got a new one).

    So I keep asking myself if I am the only person who faces this problem.

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    Must say that I haven't noticed but then I haven't done the same comparative testing as you've done. The MCC 110 is my paper of choice. Must check to see if I have boxes from different batches.

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    I have stock all bought before the changes you mention. While there is very very little change in selenium (there is SOME though, but way less than MGIV which some folks complain about not changing - personally I have to be careful not to let MGIV get too purple) but it always had plenty of contrast for my tastes. I usually print it with a 2.5 Ilford filter.

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    MGIV? Change in selenium? Maybe the warm tone but the other mgiv papers show absolutely no change at all....

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    MGIV will change color, but it depends on the combination of developer, time, and dilution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NB23 View Post
    MGIV? Change in selenium? Maybe the warm tone but the other mgiv papers show absolutely no change at all....
    No, the regular stuff. I normally tone the WT in highly dilute brown toner.

    MGIV (not WT) will go too purple for my tastes after about 5 minutes in KRST 1+19. I've argued this before. I'm tempted to start toning a bunch of small test strips to send people who dont believe me. A couple of points though:

    1. I seem to be VERY sensitive to changes in tone in B&W prints and see differences others don't or say they don't.

    2. I develop in LPD 1+2 for 3 minutes, fix in film strength rapid fixer without hardner for one minute. This might have sonething to do with it.

    But this is about MCC 110 which responds less than MGIV, or at least the batches I have do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Cole View Post
    No, the regular stuff. I normally tone the WT in highly dilute brown toner.

    MGIV (not WT) will go too purple for my tastes after about 5 minutes in KRST 1+19. I've argued this before. I'm tempted to start toning a bunch of small test strips to send people who dont believe me. A couple of points though:

    1. I seem to be VERY sensitive to changes in tone in B&W prints and see differences others don't or say they don't.

    2. I develop in LPD 1+2 for 3 minutes, fix in film strength rapid fixer without hardner for one minute. This might have sonething to do with it.

    But this is about MCC 110 which responds less than MGIV, or at least the batches I have do.
    I've never seen any change in MGIV and it frustrates me as I'd like to have a slight change such as Oriental papers... Slightly bluish. I otherwise really like Ilford's offerings.
    You must have an extremely sharp eye to notice a change.

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    Maybe. Or maybe it responds differently in my developer and fixer. What do you develop it in and how do you fix it?

    I have some Oriental I need to try. I like to cool the normal slightly green tone, but something more toward blue and less toward purple would be nicer to me.

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    I also find MGIV tones. Regarding the current Oriental papers, my only experience is with VCFB and to my eyes it goes slightly blue/neutral first (quickly) and then to purple.

    Of course all this depends on dilution, time, etc., possibly development (not sure).

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    Ilford multigrade developer, hypam/rapid fixer

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