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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneNYC View Post
    First the OP said CURRENTLY PRODUCED and second those are VERY hard to come by, still haven't found one, and they are super expensive...
    Why are you yelling?

    I found two with separate eBay offers, and purchased. Just have not used yet. Prices are in the same range as every other option, if your take the time to find them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain_joe6 View Post
    I'm amazed it took 3 pages for someone to mention the Jobo 2590n. That's like the go-to tank for multi-sheet daylight processing of 4x5 film, used with or without the corresponding motorized processor. If you can get one with the loader base, its pretty awesome. On the flip side, if you've got hands that aren't freakishly small, they're easy enough to load up on their own. You just have to be patient with yourself. I've used them a number of times and haven't had a single issue.
    Well if you look at the OP's equipment, he's using a $15 developing tank, do you think he/she will be able to shell out $3,000 for a whole developing machine system?

    That's why no one mentioned it, because it's logical to assume this person isn't going to have that kind of money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotch View Post
    Why are you yelling?

    I found two with separate eBay offers, and purchased. Just have not used yet. Prices are in the same range as every other option, if your take the time to find them.
    I was emphasizing not yelling, sorry.

    And you found Nikkor tanks for $50 on eBay?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WetMogwai View Post
    I am using the column. Maybe I should look into finding another tank. I guess that's a good idea anyway since I prefer the lid of the System 4 to the Super System 4. Looks like I have an excuse to visit the local camera stores today and I won't be confusing everyone by looking for something strange like I did last time!
    Are you sure you didn't fog the film some other way? Light leak in your camera?

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneNYC View Post
    Well if you look at the OP's equipment, he's using a $15 developing tank, do you think he/she will be able to shell out $3,000 for a whole developing machine system?

    That's why no one mentioned it, because it's logical to assume this person isn't going to have that kind of money.
    Jobo 4X5 options are available used for the same price as MOD54, and new for slightly more.

    As many already mentioned there is no need for a machine to use Jobo (or any other tanks).
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    Trays are best for control.

    Trays are best for economy of materials.

    Tanks are best for daylight.

    Tanks (that don't leak) are best for keeping fingers out of the chemicals.

    Tanks are best if you have limited room to work in.

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    So get the best of both worlds and use the tank that thinks it's a tray (or the tray that thinks it's a tank)!!!

    and as I said earlier here is how to prepare it so you get great results every time. All the pitfalls are easily overcome if you follow the guide in the .pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Regular Rod View Post
    Trays are best for control.

    Tanks are best for daylight.

    Tanks (that don't leak) are best for keeping fingers out of the chemicals.

    Tanks are best if you have limited room to work in.

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    So get the best of both worlds and use the tank that thinks it's a tray (or the tray that thinks it's a tank)!!!

    and as I said earlier here is how to prepare it so you get great results every time. All the pitfalls are easily overcome if you follow the guide in the .pdf

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    Where do you get the orbital?
    Just did a quick search, and found only 1 on the auction site, in europe. Searching completed items brought up all but one out of the US and none were really "cheap" or cheaper then any of the currently available options (Jobo/MOD etc), which can be used straight out of the box.

    4 sheets at 500ml does not seem like the most economical way to go as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneNYC View Post
    Are you sure you didn't fog the film some other way? Light leak in your camera?
    While I've suspected my film holders of other problems because of some scratches on the back of several of my most recent sheets, there doesn't seem to be a light leak in my cameras or film holders. I've only seen the fogging on the side of the film that was the top in the tank when I developed in normal room light with the lid off so I could do rotation agitation. When I put the lid on and do inversion, keeping only subdued light when the lid is off, it works fine. The fogging looks similar to the fogging that I consistently got in the Yankee tank, just in a different place. It has to be the Paterson Super System 4 tank causing the problem. It looks like it just can't handle the brightness of the lights above the sink in my bathroom. I've considered using the kitchen sink, which is farther from bright lights, but since the Mod54 is better at handling inversions than I heard it was in previous models, I'm fine with keeping the lid on. I just wish it was easier to get on, so I might look for a System 4 tank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed Bray View Post
    Are you sure you had the centre column of the Super System 4 tank in when you were using the MOD54, it does still need to be installed even with the MOD54, if so you either have a defective tank or have somehow misloaded it.
    I am using the Paterson multi-reel 3 reel tank. I am not sure what the difference is between it and the System-4 tank, except that the multi-reel tank does not come with reels. The tanks look identical. Yes I am sure. After running the first batch through and having the film fogged I did a visual inspection and could see that the MOD54 is translucent and not opaque. If you test this you will see that the Paterson center support fits perfectly inside the MOD54 and that it actually sits in the tank better with the center support in place. Here is a link to the MOD54 website. Click on the video. This is exactly the setup I use and they specify using the "spindle". Watch the video and compare to what you are doing. Hope that helps. All the best! http://www.mod54.com/about.php

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    Quote Originally Posted by CatLABS View Post
    Where do you get the orbital?
    Just did a quick search, and found only 1 on the auction site, in europe. Searching completed items brought up all but one out of the US and none were really "cheap" or cheaper then any of the currently available options (Jobo/MOD etc), which can be used straight out of the box.

    4 sheets at 500ml does not seem like the most economical way to go as well.
    I got mine from eBay. I simply saved a search for "Paterson Orbital" and when one came up bought it for about £140 (about $224). If you do want to use it for colour work then you simply go back to the 50ml and use the orbital base to agitate the films throughout the process. With normal (non-C41) B&W film the processor is used without the orbital base. It is used as a tray. It just happens to have a light baffled lid on it. 500ml makes a safety level to ensure the film is covered during stand and semi-stand development.

    I noticed in your own store you are selling a second hand 20x24 drum on its own for $329 and your new 3006 drum is going for $499 plus shipping add in your foot pump at $65 and the Paterson Orbital is looking quite cost-effective and it is so much more versatile, especially when processing black and white.

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