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    Yes, the print developer. It was stored with minor variations in temp. But humidity was always controlled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timor View Post
    Safer chemically ? Or in use ?
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    Chemically! I don't want my grandkids messing with stuff that's too potent. Right now they use my darkroom with me, but I'd like to get them setup to at least do their own negative processing at home. Then they could come here and we could print. The kiddies range from 11yrs to 18yrs old and there are eight of the little buggers. Of course they are not all interested, but four of them I can see have a smidgen of interest. I thought they might just get "turned on" just a little more if they could at least do some of this on their own instead of under grandpa's wing. Plus, that's how you learn. JohnW

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    Wow ! Keep them interested until they will understand the difference between film and digital.
    What do you think about mixing for them some Stoeckler. As safe as it gets, very simple to use and cheap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timor View Post
    Wow ! Keep them interested until they will understand the difference between film and digital.
    What do you think about mixing for them some Stoeckler. As safe as it gets, very simple to use and cheap.
    Well, that thought has crossed my mind, but it would more than likely be D23 and maybe the two bath version. The reason I'm thinking two bath is because of their cameras. I bought ten Pentax IQZoom 90WR that once belonged to the State of Washington and gave each one of them a camera. I know it's not 100% manual, but it does have enough options for them if they want to learn more. Plus, they can drop them in the water with no ill effects. Two bath would help with their exposures I think. We'll see! I just don't want them getting hurt 'cause I'd never hear the end of it from their folks or especially from granny. Johnw

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    D23 two bath version and Stoeckler: what's the difference ? Automatic development system with automatic exposure system should give very good results for kids. Just teach them proper action with the trigger, so camera has a time to set everything for the shot. This Pentax is a perfect camera with great lens and light meter. Kids can learn many things with it and have always very printable negatives. This will increase the "fun" portion. You and I, we know, that for proper operating of fully manual camera some knowledge and understanding is needed. This could be introduced along the way and gradually. I don't see, how the kids could be hurt with this activities, but there is always a possibilities that they may try to club each other with the cameras, but that would be not the photography fault I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timor View Post
    D23 two bath version and Stoeckler: what's the difference ? Automatic development system with automatic exposure system should give very good results for kids. Just teach them proper action with the trigger, so camera has a time to set everything for the shot. This Pentax is a perfect camera with great lens and light meter. Kids can learn many things with it and have always very printable negatives. This will increase the "fun" portion. You and I, we know, that for proper operating of fully manual camera some knowledge and understanding is needed. This could be introduced along the way and gradually. I don't see, how the kids could be hurt with this activities, but there is always a possibilities that they may try to club each other with the cameras, but that would be not the photography fault I guess.
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    When they were younger they might have used the Pentax cameras for a club, but they are all pretty civil now. Yes, there is not much difference between Stoecklers and D23 either one would be good and they have to drink it to hurt themselves. I also thought about E76, but really still would like a developer that they could buy. Later I could show them how to make their own. I'm trying to keep this uncomplicated for them in the beginning so as not to overwhelm and confuse. Thus the Pentax cameras and simple developer. I do know the more they can do on their own the better chance I have of getting them connected to "real" photography. All they do now is run around with their cell phones snapping pictures. I shouldn't talk, because my wife just bought me a Samsung Galaxy Note III and it's got a 13mp camera and I don't even want to say here how cool that is 'cause this isn't the place for that. But it's darn cool! Don't tell my grandkids. JohnW

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    Do they have own darkrooms ?

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    Do they have own darkrooms ?
    No darkrooms other then a closet or two. I figure they could use a closet to load or I have three changing bags. I would get them some Paterson tanks with the "cheater reels" so it would be easier for them. I don't want them using my Hewes reels. They can develop and dry at home and when they come for a visit they can use my darkroom. None of them live more than 15 miles away so we see each other often. I also have many and I'm not kidding when I say many 120 roll film folding and rigid cameras when they are ready to move up. I sure would like to be able to pass my really good cameras and gear off to a family member instead of my wife dumping it after I pass on. Maybe I'm dreaming! The only way we are going to keep film alive for any length of time is to get some new blood hook on film. I'm trying! JohnW

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    The way I would see it two bath development under your eye is the way to start. Even such a camera like this Pentax is not foolproof and too quick triggering may cause under exposure. I've seen that. Once they know how to take pictures, basics of development and how looks printable negative they may graduate to more demanding developers, where time and temperature control is more demanding. Knowing, how looks good neg and knowing, that the camera is working OK they may correct own developing mistakes and eventually graduate to the next step: understanding the exposure and move to more manual equipment. With 120 I would wait until there is more experience with loading the reels. Even "cheaters reels" are not easy to load with 120, maybe even harder, than Hewes reels. Off course black out closet is 1000 times better, than changing bag.

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    Heck, that's old enough I not to worry about it I'd think. That's old enough (well maybe not the 11 year old, but 13+) to be shown how to handle pyro safely and turned loose.

    Of course I'm biased. I was messing with stuff more potent than that, and going squirrel hunting alone by age 13. It was a bit of a different world then I suppose and the fact I'm here now means I'm a self-selected sample.

    I do understand erring on the side of chemical safety but not necessarily in trying to make the process foolproof. Mistakes are how we learn. In my experience kids are way more capable than we usually give them credit for, if allowed some leeway to show it.

    And thanks for keeping it alive! Awesome stuff, BTW.

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